Originally posted by Golgo13
Herochat is nowhere near as good as it used to be. Most of the really good posters are gone, sadly.
Originally posted by Damborgson
I did go to Comicvine actually lol i argued with citizenbane. He's nothing. Pissed some people off to, but felt like it was pretty obvious that quality drops on there. Goku is > Marvel and Dc Universe and apparently Superman has skyfather level time manipulation.
And yeah, the quality of posters is extremely low there. In fact they're slowly beginning to become a cheap knock-off of this battleboard with their recent "Challenge a Viner" threads which is clearly a borrowed concept from our Battlezone Forums. Just goes to show how unoriginal and desperate for ideas the management is on that site.
Originally posted by -Pr-
That's pushing it, tbh.
If Superman called him the most powerful being on earth, I think I'll trust him with that. I mean getting into Mageddon's head, pulling the Spectre into the astral plane, mind wiping the JLA, etc... I mean he definitely has his low feats, but that's more of the writer being incompetent.
Originally posted by Golgo13
If Superman called him the most powerful being on earth, I think I'll trust him with that. I mean getting into Mageddon's head, pulling the Spectre into the astral plane, mind wiping the JLA, etc... I mean he definitely has his low feats, but that's more of the writer being incompetent.
Originally posted by -Pr-
MM is getting both underrated and overrated in this thread.He's a solid mid-herald, no more, no less.
Meh, who needs labels? His feats and powers speak for themselves. ^_^
On average, he's a step below Superman and Captain Marvel (Cap possessed by the Grey Man edged him out in an old fashioned slugfest, J'onn was taking everything he could handle and somehow keeping his feet..)
But the difference is made up by top end TP (Just by way of example,oOn more then one occasion, he's TPed every mind on Earth, a feat someone even on Xaviers level normally needs Cerebro for..), and he could switch off brains just fine as well (A fact which was lampshaded in World War III vs Black Adam, when MM told him it was his choice to allow him the ability to think, and thus apply his willpower against his control)
These points alone make him capable of hanging with the big boys, and that's not touching on his other powers like being able to turn invisible, phase shift through attacks or embed limbs in people bodies, engulf foes, create stabby weapons that can pierce someone as durable as Etrigan the Demon or Kanto (Kanto is durable enough for the Firepits to not affect him, while a Byrne era Superman was pretty messed up by them at the time..)
Recognizing his history, and how his abilities can allow him to hold his own with stronger, more durable, or even faster characters isn't overrating him, it's giving him credit where it's due.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Like Loeb is with the Hulk?
Originally posted by cdtm
Meh, who needs labels? His feats and powers speak for themselves. ^_^On average, he's a step below Superman and Captain Marvel (Cap possessed by the Grey Man edged him out in an old fashioned slugfest, J'onn was taking everything he could handle and somehow keeping his feet..)
But the difference is made up by top end TP (Just by way of example,oOn more then one occasion, he's TPed every mind on Earth, a feat someone even on Xaviers level normally needs Cerebro for..), and he could switch off brains just fine as well (A fact which was lampshaded in World War III vs Black Adam, when MM told him it was his choice to allow him the ability to think, and thus apply his willpower against his control)
These points alone make him capable of hanging with the big boys, and that's not touching on his other powers like being able to turn invisible, phase shift through attacks or embed limbs in people bodies, engulf foes, create stabby weapons that can pierce someone as durable as Etrigan the Demon or Kanto (Kanto is durable enough for the Firepits to not affect him, while a Byrne era Superman was pretty messed up by them at the time..)
Recognizing his history, and how his abilities can allow him to hold his own with stronger, more durable, or even faster characters isn't overrating him, it's giving him credit where it's due.
Even under Ostrander, he wasn't a physical powerhouse.
But he still could have used his power to avoid being choked out by moving his throat or something weird (Ostrander had him apply his powers in, frankly, disturbing ways sometimes. He even had him move his SOUL to his hand, before losing the rest of his body.. 😱 )
Originally posted by -Pr-Usually doesn't mean all the time, which is my point. But I do agree with 'usually'.
Merry Christmas.Usually it does, though.
After all, if J'onn were truly a peer of people like Thor, or Superman, or any other high herald, he'd be a high herald himself instead of, for the most part, wasted potential.
Originally posted by cdtm
Even under Ostrander, he wasn't a physical powerhouse.But he still could have used his power to avoid being choked out by moving his throat or something weird (Ostrander had him apply his powers in, frankly, disturbing ways sometimes. He even had him move his SOUL to his hand, before losing the rest of his body.. 😱 )
Didn't he fend off the league through shapeshifting? I'll find the scans.