Thor Vs Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by h1a8
Usually doesn't mean all the time, which is my point. But I do agree with 'usually'.

I never said all the time, though. Just that it applied in this instance.

Originally posted by Golgo13
If Superman called him the most powerful being on earth, I think I'll trust him with that. I mean getting into Mageddon's head, pulling the Spectre into the astral plane, mind wiping the JLA, etc... I mean he definitely has his low feats, but that's more of the writer being incompetent.

nobody's saying he's not impressive. just that people shouldn't get carried away, is all.

Originally posted by cdtm
Meh, who needs labels? His feats and powers speak for themselves. ^_^

On average, he's a step below Superman and Captain Marvel (Cap possessed by the Grey Man edged him out in an old fashioned slugfest, J'onn was taking everything he could handle and somehow keeping his feet..)

But the difference is made up by top end TP (Just by way of example,oOn more then one occasion, he's TPed every mind on Earth, a feat someone even on Xaviers level normally needs Cerebro for..), and he could switch off brains just fine as well (A fact which was lampshaded in World War III vs Black Adam, when MM told him it was his choice to allow him the ability to think, and thus apply his willpower against his control)

These points alone make him capable of hanging with the big boys, and that's not touching on his other powers like being able to turn invisible, phase shift through attacks or embed limbs in people bodies, engulf foes, create stabby weapons that can pierce someone as durable as Etrigan the Demon or Kanto (Kanto is durable enough for the Firepits to not affect him, while a Byrne era Superman was pretty messed up by them at the time..)

Recognizing his history, and how his abilities can allow him to hold his own with stronger, more durable, or even faster characters isn't overrating him, it's giving him credit where it's due.

nobody's trying to take credit from him, like I said.

Calling MM wasted potential is a little harsh, considering he's only briefly had his own series, spent a good portion of his post crisis career in Giffen's humor league, and spent most of the rest on a team where he has to share time with other characters.

Team showings tend to be harsh even on A listers like Thor and Superman because of those constraints.

Originally posted by cdtm
Calling MM wasted potential is a little harsh, considering he's only briefly had his own series, spent a good portion of his post crisis career in Giffen's humor league, and spent most of the rest on a team where he has to share time with other characters.

Team showings tend to be harsh even on A listers like Thor and Superman because of those constraints.

the problem with J'onn, though, is that he could be a lot more than he is. He's capable of a lot more than we've seen from him, and that's why I say he's wasted potential.

It doesn't mean he's a bad character; just that he should be more.

Originally posted by -Pr-
People like that make me glad I don't mod on that site.

Janithor vs. Martian Manjobber, battle of the biggest jobbers after Rhino and Gargan Venom.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Janithor vs. Martian Manjobber, battle of the biggest jobbers after Rhino and Gargan Venom.

Originally posted by ODG
^ This reminds me of a thread where you generated random powers. Is that where you got these power labels from?

Originally posted by the Darkone
👆 pretty much what I was thinking, Thor is more powerful not saying MM won't make Odinson work for it. Thor wins the vast majority!!

It's possible, but highly unlikely, that Thor won't make Jonn work for it.
I see Thor having some serious problems with phasing, speed, invisibility, and tp.
MM is not going to sit there and allow Thor to do what he wants.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's possible, but highly unlikely, that Thor won't make Jonn work for it.
I see Thor having some serious problems with phasing, speed, invisibility, and tp.
MM is not going to sit there and allow Thor to do what he wants.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
They both end up jobbing and losing to themselves rather than their opponent.

It would be a much more interesting fight, I think, than Thor vs Superman: not just two guys punching the hell out of each other. Thor and Martian Manhunter both have great power and versatility, and in the beginning, I could see MM winning. Thor's gonna have to switch to less brawling and more exotic measures if he wants to win. If he does...then my gut leans toward Thor, if only because I don't see MM as one of the top three, of which Thor is one.

There's no way MM can beat Thor, it's not in the cards for him🙂

well said. Now let's get you out of that superman avi and find you a nice Thor one. 😛

Originally posted by Mindship
Thread should have ended after this. But, since it didn't...

It would be a much more interesting fight, I think, than Thor vs Superman: not just two guys punching the hell out of each other. Thor and Martian Manhunter both have great power and versatility, and in the beginning, I could see MM winning. Thor's gonna have to switch to less brawling and more exotic measures if he wants to win. If he does...then my gut leans toward Thor, if only because I don't see MM as one of the top three, of which Thor is one.

There is no way Supes could ever tag MM, if he plays it smart. Intangibility and all. From the way things look, Johns will make MM a powerhouse. Just like Ostrander.

Originally posted by Damborgson
well said. Now let's get you out of that superman avi and find you a nice Thor one. 😛

But it's not superman! It's Supraman😉. Look closer🙂

Thor might be more versatile, in terms of having more powers, but most have been used once and like someone stated they mostly are from a long time ago. Like Thor controlling magnetism. I open to the possibility that I'm wrong here, but I don't think he's used that ability for a LONG time. I'd question whether the current marvel writing and editorial staff even thinks he's still has that power. Also how many times as he shrinks someone, and when was the last time he did so?

I think the mm has a big edge here with his telepathy, speed and regen advantage. I'll go mm 5.5/10.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Not sure if serious...

Originally posted by Golgo13
There is no way Supes could ever tag MM, if he plays it smart. Intangibility and all. From the way things look, Johns will make MM a powerhouse. Just like Ostrander.

Superman can tag him even if he plays it smart.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Superman can tag him even if he plays it smart.

We'll see once Trinity War starts. 😛

Superman tagged the Flash. He's also read every medical book in minutes...and not on a kindle, he had to find each one, and flip through the pages.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Superman tagged the Flash. He's also read every medical book in minutes...and not on a kindle, he had to find each one, and flip through the pages.

Superman is fast, but it's not like MM can't shapeshift and turn intangible to avoid his attacks. He's done it before. Not to mention read his mind and anticipate his every move.