Originally posted by -Pr-
Post reboot, no, not as yet.Johns is going out of his way to show how strong, durable and in general how tough Aquaman is, but bar some marine telepathy, we've barely seen him use it. It's quite odd.
Most of the time when he uses telepathy on non-marine life, as I recall, the opponents had some latent fish parts as a result of their evolution like Martians or Humans etc.
Asgardian's have no such ancestry, so I'm not sure his telepathy would work. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a rare instance or two when he used it on a completely unrelated form of life but at the same time, Heimdall has his outlier feats as well.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
Okay. But unless stated as happening or revisited/done again arent his past feats all more or less voided until otherwise noted? So the 'if' feats and low showings shouldn't count toward/against aqua man until it's sorted out right?
I'm not going to lean one way or the other until the exact canonicity has been established, tbh.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Most of the time when he uses telepathy on non-marine life, as I recall, the opponents had some latent fish parts as a result of their evolution like Martians or Humans etc.Asgardian's have no such ancestry, so I'm not sure his telepathy would work. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a rare instance or two when he used it on a completely unrelated form of life but at the same time, Heimdall has his outlier feats as well.
Not always, no.
Aquaman's telepathy eventually became as effective as normal telepathy. He primarily used it on marine life, sure, but it still worked on several other forms of life to the point that it was broad TP.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Any of examples of him using it on lifeforms without specific fish ancestry or whatever bullshit?I've seen him use it on Martians, humans, Starro and other mutated shit but those beings had a direct evolutionary link to marine life.
I don't have the scans to hand, but off the top of my head: Tiamat (a dark god/alien monster), a Millenium Giant (though I'm not sure where they come from), an alien ship's AI, and he's even communed with other aliens (though their origins are unknown).
And even when he's used his telepathy on human type creatures, he's used it in some pretty skillfull ways. he cured black manta's autism, was actually getting through to doctor polaris at one point, and was able to help kyle rayner bolster his own willpower at one point.
i'm not saying it's a definite win, just something to consider if Asgardians are at all vulnerable to telepathy.
How do they physically match up?
Originally posted by golem370
Class 50 strength really good fighter and superhuman sensesThis is from Marvel Database
Superhumanly Acute Senses: Heimdall's post as Sentry of Asgard is due in large part to his extraordinarily acute senses. Heimdall's sight, hearing, and smell are enhanced to the point that they qualify as extrasensory. Heimdall can see and hear as far as creation.[7] He can look across time and space[8] and is able to detect the approach of most beings within hundreds of miles. Heimdall can sense the life force of Asgardian gods throughout the Nine Realms and can willingly focus his senses on certain sensory information and selectively block the rest of it from his consciousness.[5] Otherwise, he would be mentally and physically overwhelmed by the extraordinary amount of input generated by his extremely acute senses. Certain magical spells can block his sensory powers and his sight is limited if his eyes are damaged.[9]
Thx
Aquaman has one punch KOed 100 toners before.
In DCnU he lifted an ocean liner, full with cargo and passengers.
The trident hurt Darkseid.
He takes this.
^ You seem to be suggesting that there will be some amorphous moment where Aquaman's canonicity will be established rather than just take his reboot for what it is: a hard one. Are you honestly expecting there to be attempts where Aquaman's pre-Flashpoint adventures will be neatly retrofitted back in like Batman and Green Lantern?
Aquaman exists in a history where J'onn was barely a Justice League member, Green Arrow was never one, and he never fought with his brother once he abdicated his throne years ago. Exactly what pre-Flashpoint adventures could even possibly re-exist given that?
Aquaman's much more akin to a clean slate like Cyborg, rather than a slave to the past like Batman. So waiting for his history to "clear up" doesn't sound anymore realistic for him then it does for Cyborg -- especially when what history we are seeing is completely different. I don't think anybody is seriously waiting on just how much pre-Flashpoint history Cyborg will get retrofitted back in so "we can be sure these old feats are eliminated from consideration." They're just moving forward.
Originally posted by ODG
^ You seem to be suggesting that there will be some amorphous moment where Aquaman's canonicity will be established rather than just take his reboot for what it is: a hard one. Are you honestly expecting there to be attempts where Aquaman's pre-Flashpoint adventures will be neatly retrofitted back in like Batman and Green Lantern?Aquaman exists in a history where J'onn was barely a Justice League member, Green Arrow was never one, and he never fought with his brother once he abdicated his throne years ago. Exactly what pre-Flashpoint adventures could even possibly re-exist given that?
Aquaman's much more akin to a clean slate like Cyborg, rather than a slave to the past like Batman. So waiting for his history to "clear up" doesn't sound anymore realistic for him then it does for Cyborg -- especially when what history we are seeing is completely different. I don't think anybody is seriously waiting on just how much pre-Flashpoint history Cyborg will get retrofitted back in so "we can be sure these old feats are eliminated from consideration." They're just moving forward.
Except that his Pre-Flashpoint history has been alluded to by Johns, considering that Johns also wrote Brightest Day.
I'm not saying that everything Pre Flashpoint will be made canon again. Even Johns, though, in changing Aquamans origin (and partially reverting it at the same time), still kept certain things that had been brought in by other writers. There are several unanswered questions about Arthur's past in relation to what happened before the reboot, so no, it really isn't like Cyborg tbh.
And I honestly don't get where the hostility comes from.
Originally posted by -Pr-What history exactly? Because I was pretty sure I was accounting for everything.
Except that his Pre-Flashpoint history has been alluded to by Johns, considering that Johns also wrote Brightest Day.I'm not saying that everything Pre Flashpoint will be made canon again. Even Johns, though, in changing Aquamans origin (and partially reverting it at the same time), still kept certain things that had been brought in by other writers. There are several unanswered questions about Arthur's past in relation to what happened before the reboot, so no, it really isn't like Cyborg tbh.
And I honestly dont get where the hostility comes from.
Cyborg's history has been far less explored than Aquaman's. So I don't get how Aquaman is more open to retrofitted history than he is.
What exactly was hostile about my explanation????