Originally posted by DamborgsonParker Robbins is hardly an expert in drawing vast energy, while Banner is. Plus Banner is much smarter too. It's fair to say Banner would use the PG almost as well as Thanos. But I'm not going to even argue the PG so don't bother responding to this part of the argument. I believe WBH could beat RKT without it and thus my argument is WBH with red ring vs. RKT.
So? Hulk doesn't. With the PG, the knowhow the use has on it is imperative. That's why Parker Robbins doesn't equal Thanos even though they both had the pg. It's useless because it can't provide a forcefield strong enough to withstand any attack from Thor anyway. This is the guy who told "Those who sit in Shadow" to go phuck themselves. That's another made up number on your part.
You don't know much about lanterns do you? The red ring feeds off Rage. How much Rage did Hulk need to reach WBH levels? A hell of a lot. It's fair to say that the red ring will boost WBH a significant amount plus provide shields, constructs, flight, extra strength, extra durability, energy projection, etc. Hell we seen what Banner did with a phucking ipod so what more he would do with a red ring.
Titles mean everything. It's the reason they are there. To distinguish powerlevels. Thor has better feats than his King Thor self. That doesn't mean he's somehow stronger than his self with an amp.
Titles mean shit. ABC logic doesn't work all the time buddy. You prove shit by feats and not by faulty ABC logic. A street leveler can kill the shit out of Storm if the conditions are right.
If someone has the power of TOAA, he'd be aware of everything happening in the universe. How would he be killed by a human with a gun? I'm sure in your mind what you just typed sounded smart, but I'm here to tell you it wasn't. It really wasn't.
You know what I meant. I meant the output POWER, not omniscience. My point still stands as you are nitpicking irrelevant things.
Titles mean shit here buddy. There is no rule to prevent an elder god (whatever that is) from not being able to transmute WBH. NONE! We go by feats. The Mjolnir turning into a stick is what you should be arguing buddy and not this dumb ass title shit. Feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles.He doesn't have transmutation resistance from Elder gods. Thor took enchanted uru and turned it into a stick you'd find in the woods. That level of transmutation is something Hulk doesn't have resistance for.
And his intention came across just fine. Hulk was strong enough to crack the barrier. The barrier just had lower level durability than Fin Fang Foom. So it's a weaksauce feat.
Then you don't understand comics. This isn't a law case. It's called common sense. If we have a contradiction in comics then we must choose the most reasonable direction and disregard the other. You chose the least reasonable direction.
Umar is a high level Skyfather in her own realm. It makes little sense that her barrier would be weaker than Fin Fang Foom's durability, especially when she erected it to prevent escape. Think man!
You think he can't attack and defend at the same time? Good to know you didn't even read the issues concerning him 👆
Every member here read RKT. That's basic comics 101 dude.
That scan doesn't show Thor defending and attacking. Thor defended first by stopping Mangog then he attacked (not simultaneously). WBH is astronomically more powerful than Mangog. RKT might not be able to halt or slow down WBH at all.
You just took someone with low superhuman stats, whose only option for avoiding against superior opponents is a manmade shield and his agility, and compared it someone who stop time, transmute with his automatic shielding, tear off a skyfather's head like he was non factor, FLY and TELEPORT. It's baffling to see how your mind works.
1. RKT is not stopping time in this fight so stop mentioning it.
2. RKT is not transmuting WBH at all for the reasons I gave above
3. When WBH touches RKT he would be instantly killed. RKT has no feats of durability above WBH's power output.
Your just repeating yourself and a wrong argument to boot. Even he he layed hands on RKT, he would receive one of many inconveniences. Having his head blown off being the main one.
RKT never proven the power output above the force WBH felt when colliding. What me to explain the magnitude of this force again?
No, stfu. Thor wins in all three of those, but I know exactly what you mean by BFR and tearing someones soul out isn't battlefield removal somehow. Cut the crap, you know very well that it is litterally killing someone. Mangogs body exploded after Thor was done anyway.
We don't know what Thor did to Mangog. Maybe he undid him by the nature Mangog was created. And such things won't work on other beings.
Even if so, That attack is slow as shit. WBH would have killed RKT long before.
In general RKT was a slow ass, much slower than Thor himself. I don't see RKT even getting to attempt much against WBH here.
Bottom line
WBH's power output>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RKT's durability.
WBH's durability>>>>>>>>>>>>>RKT's power output
RKT is slow as shit and while WBH is much faster (especially with the thunderclap).
Thus WBH wins.
Just want to throw something out there (I think RKT will win this, just correcting someone). Fing Fang was amped...amped to levels where Strange along with other Hulks (not WBH) was afraid to fight him. He was amped to the point that it was stated that he could rule the planet if it wasn't for Tyrranus. This doesn't even include the fact that he survived two 1000 ft tall World Breakers stepping on him (let's not forget what the 8 to 12 ft WB were capable of doing in the dark dimension). Fing Fang surviving a thunder clap from World Breaker Hulk that ripped through Umar barrier THAT HELD THE ENTIRE RACE OF MINDLESS ONES (the same race Umar was afraid to fight) is a thumbs up to his durability, but that doesn't mean anyone else can survive it, that just shows Fing Fang was as amped as the comic said he was...with enough power to rule the world.
Originally posted by h1a8
Parker Robbins is hardly an expert in drawing vast energy, while Banner is. Plus Banner is much smarter too. It's fair to say Banner would use the PG almost as well as Thanos. But I'm not going to even argue the PG so don't bother responding to this part of the argument. I believe WBH could beat RKT without it and thus my argument is WBH with red ring vs. RKT.You don't know much about lanterns do you? The red ring feeds off Rage. How much Rage did Hulk need to reach WBH levels? A hell of a lot. It's fair to say that the red ring will boost WBH a significant amount plus provide shields, constructs, flight, extra strength, extra durability, energy projection, etc. Hell we seen what Banner did with a phucking ipod so what more he would do with a red ring.
Titles mean shit. ABC logic doesn't work all the time buddy. You prove shit by feats and not by faulty ABC logic. A street leveler can kill the shit out of Storm if the conditions are right.
You know what I meant. I meant the output POWER, not omniscience. My point still stands as you are nitpicking irrelevant things.Titles mean shit here buddy. There is no rule to prevent an elder god (whatever that is) from not being able to transmute WBH. NONE! We go by feats. The Mjolnir turning into a stick is what you should be arguing buddy and not this dumb ass title shit. Feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>titles.
Both Cap and Spidey has beaten beings well outside their titles.
With that said, turning Mjolnir into a stick is meaningless since it was the OF that enchanted it in the first place. Basically RKT transmuted ordinary Uru, which has nothing to do with energy shields and WBH. WBH>>>>>>>>>>>>UruThen you don't understand comics. This isn't a law case. It's called common sense. If we have a contradiction in comics then we must choose the most reasonable direction and disregard the other. You chose the least reasonable direction.
Umar is a high level Skyfather in her own realm. It makes little sense that her barrier would be weaker than Fin Fang Foom's durability, especially when she erected it to prevent escape. Think man!
Every member here read RKT. That's basic comics 101 dude.
That scan doesn't show Thor defending and attacking. Thor defended first by stopping Mangog then he attacked (not simultaneously). WBH is astronomically more powerful than Mangog. RKT might not be able to halt or slow down WBH at all.1. RKT is not stopping time in this fight so stop mentioning it.
2. RKT is not transmuting WBH at all for the reasons I gave above
3. When WBH touches RKT he would be instantly killed. RKT has no feats of durability above WBH's power output.RKT never proven the power output above the force WBH felt when colliding. What me to explain the magnitude of this force again?
We don't know what Thor did to Mangog. Maybe he undid him by the nature Mangog was created. And such things won't work on other beings.
Even if so, That attack is slow as shit. WBH would have killed RKT long before.
In general RKT was a slow ass, much slower than Thor himself. I don't see RKT even getting to attempt much against WBH here.Bottom line
WBH's power output>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>RKT's durability.WBH's durability>>>>>>>>>>>>>RKT's power output
RKT is slow as shit and while WBH is much faster (especially with the thunderclap).
Thus WBH wins.
The entirety of the Elder Collector's advanced machinery and knowledge was unable to get a single infinity gem to work. It's not brains. It takes something more. Cunning and knowledge like Thanos has. I'll respond to whatever the hell I want and you'll deal with it. If you don't want a response then don't type it.
When did I say that that wasn't true or anything that would merit you stating common knowledge? Fact is Thor can still get rid of it. He can forcibly yank Mjolnir from a worthy god while he himself is unworthy. Think he can't do it to the ring? He very well can.
H1, stfu. Titles do indeed mean everything. It's the reason they're there and it's not faulty ABC logic. You didn't even use that term correctly. It's the reason Eternity dwarfs Thor despite Thor having superior feats. Why? Because it's Eternity. He's on another level. Do you understand what I'm saying?
You meant pew pew energy projection? That wouldn't be the power of TOAA. And that makes no sense whatsoever since this isn't the case with Rune King Thor. He's not a guy with elder god energy projection and herald level durability. Everything increases with the Odinforce and he even surpassed his father before him.
Oh also name a single "irrelevent thing" that I nitpicked. Stop trying to Sound smart and start actually being it.
Titles mean everything and that's why they're there. The only dumbass thing around here is you. Titles aren't given to these characters to show there lack of power or something. It's precisely to put them at the levels they are supposed to be at. Standard Thor has better feats than King Thor. How does that make King Thor weaker?
What do you mean "whatever that is"? It's a rank. Like herald, trans, skyfather, then elder god. Like Gaea.
Yes, cap and spidey have done this. Firelord and Savage Hulk respectively both come to mind. And you know what that is? Jobbing on part of Firelord and Hulk. It's not like it get's held against them.
Sweet Jesus H1, stfu. You haven't read what I'm talking about. Thor turned ENCHANTED URU HAMMERS TO WOOD. NOT MJOLNIR.
and those hammer were enchanted by Surtur. Not Odin. Even if they were Odin you'd still be wrong. But now it's even more so.
Well would you look at whose using titles instead of feats all of a sudden? 😆 You're such a joke. I thought titles like skyfather meant shit to you?
I did chose the option that made the most sense. The shields were weaker than Fin Fang Foom. That was proven on panel.
If it's comic basic 101 then you would have read it. And you didn't. As you've proved repeatedly in the conversation here. If you don't know what you're talking about (which you don't) I'd respect you infinitely more if you came out and said instead of insulting my intelligence by thinking I'm so stupid as to not be able to tell when a schmuck is trying to lie to me.
It's right there on panel H1. His shields were up, then he placed his hand on Mangog's face. And tore out his soul. Attack and defense in one. Unless you have a scan of his shields going down?
1. You don't get to tell me what to mention or what not to mention, And unless it's against the rules or there is suddenly something that would stop RKT from doing it, it's a valid option that you will deal with.
2. You didn't give any reasons. Literally, not a single reason. So I guess he's getting transmuted.
3. Show me WBH instantly killing someone on RKT's level by touching them and you'll have a point. Till then: 😆
No, you already tried to explain it. You tried to use faulty math to prove the force of a green guy slamming into a red girl and blowing up a planet. Think about that for a sec.
Bottom line:
you changed your vote a bit because you got mad that you can't prove anything and think that's my fault somehow. I don't care about your butthurt. learn to deal with it.
I guess Hulk's a speedster now all of a sudden?
Thus, you're wrong. again.
oh and this was serious:
Originally posted by Damborgson
But the idea of a battlezone sounds perfect right now.H1, RKT vs WBH. BZ. When?
Answer yes and we'll start getting the date thought of. If you answer no, you're a coward and I'll link this page onto my sig. 👆
Originally posted by carver9
Just want to throw something out there (I think RKT will win this, just correcting someone). Fing Fang was amped...amped to levels where Strange along with other Hulks (not WBH) was afraid to fight him. He was amped to the point that it was stated that he could rule the planet if it wasn't for Tyrranus. This doesn't even include the fact that he survived two 1000 ft tall World Breakers stepping on him (let's not forget what the 8 to 12 ft WB were capable of doing in the dark dimension). Fing Fang surviving a thunder clap from World Breaker Hulk that ripped through Umar barrier THAT HELD THE ENTIRE RACE OF MINDLESS ONES (the same race Umar was afraid to fight) is a thumbs up to his durability, but that doesn't mean anyone else can survive it, that just shows Fing Fang was as amped as the comic said he was...with enough power to rule the world.
you most certainly are not correcting me, and specify instead of using "someone". That same Foom was not the same as the one who got stomped on by the amped world breakers. That foom hadn't received the nuclear missile buff. Unless you've got some proof, then that statement doesn't mean much. It means that the barrier was weaker than Foom's durability. A low showing if you ask me. Unless you think Foom was > Skyfather constructs in durability all of a sudden. Which I think it's more than fair to say he wasn't it. The barrier just had a pansy showing.
Originally posted by DamborgsonMachines can't work the gems beings do when it is attached. Yet amateurs have increased their power astronomically upon first using the power gem. Call it writer's inconsistency but any type of character was shown to be able to use the gems well.
The entirety of the Elder Collector's advanced machinery and knowledge was unable to get a single infinity gem to work. It's not brains. It takes something more. Cunning and knowledge like Thanos has. I'll respond to whatever the hell I want and you'll deal with it. If you don't want a response then don't type it.
When did I say that that wasn't true or anything that would merit you stating common knowledge? Fact is Thor can still get rid of it. He can forcibly yank Mjolnir from a worthy god while he himself is unworthy. Think he can't do it to the ring? He very well can.
Thor would not only have to yank the ring against the will of the user but through the force field as well. Thor yanking an enchanted hammer has no bearing on yanking something non enchanted.
Wrong! Eternity has feats or showings that prove his power. You act like lower tiers can't beat higher tiers. It happens all the time in comics. Each situation is unique and not general.H1, stfu. Titles do indeed mean everything. It's the reason they're there and it's not faulty ABC logic. You didn't even use that term correctly. It's the reason Eternity dwarfs Thor despite Thor having superior feats. Why? Because it's Eternity. He's on another level. Do you understand what I'm saying?
You meant pew pew energy projection? That wouldn't be the power of TOAA. And that makes no sense whatsoever since this isn't the case with Rune King Thor. He's not a guy with elder god energy projection and herald level durability. Everything increases with the Odinforce and he even surpassed his father before him.
Irrelevant. My point is he has no durability feats to show he won't get killed if WBH touches him. You have to show a feat or showing that has him tanking an attack equal to the magnitude of the force WBH was shown to exert.
We go by feats buddy. Nothing you say can change that.Titles mean everything and that's why they're there. The only dumbass thing around here is you. Titles aren't given to these characters to show there lack of power or something. It's precisely to put them at the levels they are supposed to be at. Standard Thor has better feats than King Thor. How does that make King Thor weaker?
It is not jobbing. If a character weighs less than another character's strength then it is reasonable they can be hit afar. It happened alot in comics.Yes, cap and spidey have done this. Firelord and Savage Hulk respectively both come to mind. And you know what that is? Jobbing on part of Firelord and Hulk. It's not like it get's held against them.
Ok Ill reread that. But still we have two problemsSweet Jesus H1, stfu. You haven't read what I'm talking about. Thor turned ENCHANTED URU HAMMERS TO WOOD. NOT MJOLNIR.
and those hammer were enchanted by Surtur. Not Odin. Even if they were Odin you'd still be wrong. But now it's even more so.Well would you look at whose using titles instead of feats all of a sudden? 😆 You're such a joke. I thought titles like skyfather meant shit to you?
I did chose the option that made the most sense. The shields were weaker than Fin Fang Foom. That was proven on panel.
1. Force fields
2. Being too slow
It's right there on panel H1. His shields were up, then he placed his hand on Mangog's face. And tore out his soul. Attack and defense in one. Unless you have a scan of his shields going down?
He raised his shields and stopped Mangog. Then he attacked Mangog while he was immobilized. This didn't happen simultaneously.
I really doubt Thor could even slow WBH down in the slightest with his shields.
RKT's durability hasn't been proven to be greater than the force WBH has shown to exert.
1. You don't get to tell me what to mention or what not to mention, And unless it's against the rules or there is suddenly something that would stop RKT from doing it, it's a valid option that you will deal with.2. You didn't give any reasons. Literally, not a single reason. So I guess he's getting transmuted.
3. Show me WBH instantly killing someone on RKT's level by touching them and you'll have a point. Till then: 😆
Explain how it was faulty! Only an idiot don't know that a force has to be astronomically more than the collateral force it creates.
No, you already tried to explain it. You tried to use faulty math to prove the force of a green guy slamming into a red girl and blowing up a planet. Think about that for a sec.
Bottom line:
you changed your vote a bit because you got mad that you can't prove anything and think that's my fault somehow. I don't care about your butthurt. learn to deal with it.
I guess Hulk's a speedster now all of a sudden?
Thus, you're wrong. again.
oh and this was serious:
Answer yes and we'll start getting the date thought of. If you answer no, you're a coward and I'll link this page onto my sig. 👆
Changed my vote? I still think WBH wins.
RKT moved slow as hell in the comic. Those spells took time to complete. Realistically WBH would have ucked Thor up before then. WBH doesn't have to be a speedster at all.
you most certainly are not correcting me, and specify instead of using "someone". That same Foom was not the same as the one who got stomped on by the amped world breakers. That foom hadn't received the nuclear missile buff. Unless you've got some proof, then that statement doesn't mean much. It means that the barrier was weaker than Foom's durability. A low showing if you ask me. Unless you think Foom was > Skyfather constructs in durability all of a sudden. Which I think it's more than fair to say he wasn't it. The barrier just had a pansy showing.
What are you talking about?
We go by writer's intentions here. No where did the writer mention or say that Umar is weakened. You can't pick and choose what you want that goes against the writer. If you gone pick and choose then it better be along the intention of the writer.
Otherwise I can say everytime Thor did anything above herald ability that it was a bad showing for the opponent or object. That takes away all of his feats wouldn't it?
Originally posted by h1a8
Machines can't work the gems beings do when it is attached. Yet amateurs have increased their power astronomically upon first using the power gem. Call it writer's inconsistency but any type of character was shown to be able to use the gems well.Thor would not only have to yank the ring against the will of the user but through the force field as well. Thor yanking an enchanted hammer has no bearing on yanking something non enchanted. Wrong! Eternity has feats or showings that prove his power. You act like lower tiers can't beat higher tiers. It happens all the time in comics. Each situation is unique and not general.
Irrelevant. My point is he has no durability feats to show he won't get killed if WBH touches him. You have to show a feat or showing that has him tanking an attack equal to the magnitude of the force WBH was shown to exert.
We go by feats buddy. Nothing you say can change that. It is not jobbing. If a character weighs less than another character's strength then it is reasonable they can be hit afar. It happened alot in comics. Ok Ill reread that. But still we have two problems
1. Force fields
2. Being too slowHe raised his shields and stopped Mangog. Then he attacked Mangog while he was immobilized. This didn't happen simultaneously.
I really doubt Thor could even slow WBH down in the slightest with his shields.RKT's durability hasn't been proven to be greater than the force WBH has shown to exert.
Explain how it was faulty! Only an idiot don't know that a force has to be astronomically more than the collateral force it creates.
Changed my vote? I still think WBH wins.
RKT moved slow as hell in the comic. Those spells took time to complete. Realistically WBH would have ucked Thor up before then. WBH doesn't have to be a speedster at all.What are you talking about?
We go by writer's intentions here. No where did the writer mention or say that Umar is weakened. You can't pick and choose what you want that goes against the writer. If you gone pick and choose then it better be along the intention of the writer.Otherwise I can say everytime Thor did anything that it was a bad showing for the opponent. That takes away all of his feats wouldn't it?
and your point?
Thor can warp space. There is no forcefield by someone below his level that can be strong enough to resist him. Red Lantern or not. Thor wasn't calling on Mjolnir's magic. He was simply taking it away. Thor at that point was still a noob anyway and didn't have the control Odin had. Even when Odin takes control of Mjolnir, he himself is worthy. Thor was not.
It's not irrelevant. Respond do it or admit to being a coward. Not that it matters since I'm going to link you anyway.
Except the argument's Ive provided. You have none. Therefore you lose and you're wrong. It is jobbing for the reasons I provided and for your fail of countering them 👆
No what happened was what I told you. It's on panel. Stop being stupid.
More repetition of arguments I've dismantled yadayadayda.
Then you're still wrong congratulations.
He moved slow because he had no reason to be jumping at his wife to destroy a planet. Doesn't mean he's slower than regular Thor or something.
Oh, have you talked to the writer? Give me a link to Pak that contradicts what happend on panel.
are you illiterate or something? That last response doesn't even concern what I typed.
oh:
Originally posted by Damborgson
But the idea of a battlezone sounds perfect right now.H1, RKT vs WBH. BZ. When?
you should have accepted. your cowardice is shameful.