I agree Carv. he was amped and that's probably why he wasn't severely incapacitated by Hulk. But a large part of HOTM is writers intent am I wrong? So how is him growing noticeably in power by the gamma upgrade only able to increase his firepower? That doesn't make sense and it's reaching.
edit: not to mention that Foom was disintegrated by the backlash of a "weaker" WBH's impact with Betty. The foom after that stayed in one piece even after two non holding back stomps from the pair.
I agree, to a point. We have no indication on how powerful/durable Fing was with this amp until we saw what he withstood. The stuff he withstood doesn't disprove what Hulk did, it shows how durable Fing Fang was and how powerful since everyone minus Hulk was unable to do anything to him during his rampage.
But that would still suggest that Foom's durability was > that barrier. That is what weakens the feat. If that barrier was weak enough to where Foom took the hit directly and withstood it, yet the barrier only gets hit by Foom and shatters, that doesn't do well for its credibility no matter whatever way you can spin it. It's not me trying to lowball Hulk's feat, it just doesn't seem as impressive as H1 wanted to make it.
oh and well yeah Hulk being the only one to hurt him was understandable. No one else present was in his league. Or is.
You are still missing the point. The barrier was put up by Umar to hold the Mindless Ones. Reviewing previous showings of what type of power it takes to hold the entire race in place, it takes a hellava lot. Let's put it like this...Dormammu failed at placing a barrier up that was strong enough to hold the mindless ones (yeah, Skyfather Dorm). It took both Classic Strange and Dormammu to create a barrier to hold the entire race in check. Umar used enough power herself (since she is walking around with her original power INCLUDING the flame/Dormammu own power that he is trying to retain) to hold that entire race but she couldn't do it on her own either, she needed Hulks help. So what do we have here? Dormammu attempts at holding them at bay with his own shields failed (a legit skyfather) and he needed Classic Strange assistance. Umar creates a shield strong enough to hold them(even though Dormammu shields failed) and Hulk cracked those shields, EASILY. The ft doesn't downplay Fing, it actually shows us how powerful he is with this amp. Now the proof is on you to show us something indicating Fang has weak durability because looking at that showing, its the other way around. Then, that Thunderclap koed him. We didn't see him again until the Hulks collided destroying the dimension. The ft is amazing.
I'm not missing anything. The barrier was supposed to be impressive. But it came off as less so by the way it was destoryed. Had Hulk at least given the clap to the barrier itself, then yes of course it'd be an understandably amazing feat (and it's still good, I don't mean to make it sound like it's whatever, despite what I said to H1 to piss him off). But flinging foom at it just isn't that awesome. I don't think it downplays foom at all, I think it was a less than stellar showing for the barrier and a good durability feat for Foom. Dude, you're not suggesting Foom could have been on skyfather status are you? It's a good feat, it's not quite as good as it's being made out to be is all.
Originally posted by carver9
You are still missing the point. The barrier was put up by Umar to hold the Mindless Ones. Reviewing previous showings of what type of power it takes to hold the entire race in place, it takes a hellava lot. Let's put it like this...Dormammu failed at placing a barrier up that was strong enough to hold the mindless ones (yeah, Skyfather Dorm). It took both Classic Strange and Dormammu to create a barrier to hold the entire race in check. Umar used enough power herself (since she is walking around with her original power INCLUDING the flame/Dormammu own power that he is trying to retain) to hold that entire race but she couldn't do it on her own either, she needed Hulks help. So what do we have here? Dormammu attempts at holding them at bay with his own shields failed (a legit skyfather) and he needed Classic Strange assistance. Umar creates a shield strong enough to hold them(even though Dormammu shields failed) and Hulk cracked those shields, EASILY. The ft doesn't downplay Fing, it actually shows us how powerful he is with this amp. Now the proof is on you to show us something indicating Fang has weak durability because looking at that showing, its the other way around. Then, that Thunderclap koed him. We didn't see him again until the Hulks collided destroying the dimension. The ft is amazing.
You should've mentioned the part were Dr Strange and Dormammu were battling each other.Their battle weakened the barrier that was holding the Mindless Ones.And Dormammu was weakened after battling Strange.So he couldn't summon a strong enough barrier to hold the Mindless Ones.In later issues, Dormammu was able to cage up the Mindless Ones on his own when Clea freed them.Although granted Dormammu was weakened afterwards due to the fact he was amping Baron Mordo before the Mindless Ones broke free.
Originally posted by h1a8
Notes: The velocity of punch is more than 50mph. I have casually been clocked at 60mph throwing punches and I swung with all my might here. I can also throw a baseball at 85mph or more. Impact distance of steel was very small, much less than 1cm. These things make the Impact force even larger than what is calculated.
Originally posted by h1a8
What me and silent are talking about has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. He keeps trolling saying prove I can throw a punch 60mph when it has nothing to do with the thread. I told him time and time again if can swing my hand faster than 80mph to throw baseballs and thus with [b]THE SAME MOTION I can punch more than 60mph. [/B]
Originally posted by CosmicComet
The very finger tips from which the ball is coming from has the same speed as the ball, at least in its initial release before it slows down. This is fact. The ball can't move faster than the body that's throwing it.The hand itself, not necessarily, but it will still carry a decent amount of that speed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Actually it was more than 60mph. I just used 60mph tbh.
I don't have to prove it. I already said it wasn't a traditional punch and that I can throw baseballs in the 80s with no problem. How fast you think a fighter can throw a baseball? Probably not even 55mph.
Originally posted by h1a8
P1: I can throw a baseball in the 80s mph.
P2: A baseball can't travel faster than the hand that throws it.
P3: I can generate hand speeds in the 80s with throwing motion (P1 and P2)
C: I can throw non traditional throwing motion punches more than 60mph (P1, P2, and P3).
Originally posted by Silent Master
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-6000/fastest-martial-arts-punch/The fastest martial arts punch is 43.3 mph (69.6 km/h) and was achieved by John Ozuna (United States), at KO Kung Fu Karate, San Jose, United States, on 14 June 2008.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
They should update that. It should read:"The fastest punch ever recorded came via h1a8 on sometime before December 28 2012. He was casually clocked at probably exactly 60 MPH when he was throwing punches with all his might. We had Guinness reps there to witness his post in the Comic Book Vs forums, of the website Killermovies.com, in a thread entitled "Worldbreaker Hulk vs Rune King Thor" to verify his claim.
h1a8 is also probably a teacher, and can throw a baseball comparable to Professional Pitchers. He doubles as an internet scientist.
We are unsure at the time if h1a8 is his birthname, but we hope so."
This sucks. All I wanted to be was H1 when I grew up and now I feel so inadequate. 🙁
Originally posted by One Big Mob
Yes. 😂Do you think if I attached it to a bat that I could get h1 numbers?
The fastest punch recorded was a traditional punch.
I never claimed to throw a traditional punch faster than 50mph. I probably can't (although I can indeed punch very fast).
I said if I threw a punch using the same motion as throwing a baseball (no human punches that way) then my hand would generate speeds larger than 65mph.
Bottomline: All I claimed is that I can generate hand speeds of more than 65mph using throwing motion.
Originally posted by h1a8You probably can't throw a normal punch faster than 50 mph? What a concession.
The fastest punch recorded was a traditional punch.
I never claimed to throw a traditional punch faster than 50mph. I probably can't (although I can indeed punch very fast).I said if I threw a punch using the same motion as throwing a baseball (no human punches that way) then my hand would generate speeds larger than 65mph.
Bottomline: All I claimed is that I can generate hand speeds of more than 65mph using throwing motion.
Also no you can't. I can almost guarantee you personally would be under 20 mph even with your secret technique.
Originally posted by DamborgsonWell, the MLB players can swing a bat at comparable speeds to h1's fist:
With just a bat, probably not.What you need to learn to do is throw punches in such a way that no human can replicate, like H1.
"Researching the average bat speed of a MLB player, you quickly find a multitude of single answers -_76.6 MPH,_80.1 MPH, between 70-80 MPH. However, the average bat speed of a major league player has many different variables."
Irons in golf also travel about as fast too:
"The standard assumption for ball speed_comes from the TrackMan Optimizer. For the driver, a club speed of 94 mph, attack angle of 0 degrees, and optimized carry results in a ball speed of 137 mph. For a 6-iron, a club speed of 80 mph and mid-trajectory results in a 110 mph. For a PW, a club speed of 72 mph and mid-trajectory results in a_ball speed of 86 mph."
If h1 wasn't so consistently awful I would assume he's trolling. Still unsure tbh. I might try attaching it to a 12 oz hammer tomorrow and seeing what I get
Originally posted by One Big Mob
You probably can't throw a normal punch faster than 50 mph? What a concession.Also no you can't. I can almost guarantee you personally would be under 20 mph even with your secret technique.
Well, the MLB players can swing a bat at comparable speeds to h1's fist:
"Researching the average bat speed of a MLB player, you quickly find a multitude of single answers -_76.6 MPH,_80.1 MPH, between 70-80 MPH. However, the average bat speed of a major league player has many different variables."
Irons in golf also travel about as fast too:
"The standard assumption for ball speed_comes from the TrackMan Optimizer. For the driver, a club speed of 94 mph, attack angle of 0 degrees, and optimized carry results in a ball speed of 137 mph. For a 6-iron, a club speed of 80 mph and mid-trajectory results in a 110 mph. For a PW, a club speed of 72 mph and mid-trajectory results in a_ball speed of 86 mph."
If h1 wasn't so consistently awful I would assume he's trolling. Still unsure tbh. I might try attaching it to a 12 oz hammer tomorrow and seeing what I get
Leaving out words to effectively change the meaning of someone’s post is trolling.
I said a “traditional” punch.
I can generate hand speeds larger than 65mph with a baseball throwing motion. If I struck something with that hand speed (closed hand) using that motion then would it count as a punch?
And collisions have nothing to do with pushing objects. It’s easily possible for a larger mass with a velocity to strike a less massive object at rest and give it a larger speed.
So basically you are saying that no human can generate hand speeds larger than 65mph. And when a baseball is thrown at 85mph or larger the hand travels less than 65mph right before release. Is this correct?
Originally posted by h1a8You literally said you probably can't traditionally punch 50 mph though.
Leaving out words to effectively change the meaning of someone’s post is trolling.
I said a “traditional” punch.
I can generate hand speeds larger than 65mph with a baseball throwing motion. If I struck something with that hand speed (closed hand) using that motion then would it count as a punch?And collisions have nothing to do with pushing objects. It’s easily possible for a larger mass with a velocity to strike a less massive object at rest and give it a larger speed.
So basically you are saying that no human can generate hand speeds larger than 65mph. And when a baseball is thrown at 85mph or larger the hand travels less than 65mph right before release. Is this correct?
And you're moving the goalpost. Had you originally said only your hand speed could move in this speed, it wouldn't have been as big of deal as it is. But you kept calling it a punch. It's like saying that swinging your arms in a circle super fast means you're punching at the speed your hand is moving.
What your hand is moving is not the speed the punch is moving. Especially when a lot of the speed of a fastball is from how fast your fingertips are moving, as well as the little gay whip in your hand. If you tried to throw a punch like a fastball, it would barely come at you faster, if it did at all than a regular punch. And you would break every bone that has ever existed in your hand and your wrist.
If you tried to throw a closed fist, you lose the whip of the fingertips and wrist, so it wouldn't travel very fast at all. I also can't imagine how bad that would be for the shoulder. Not to mention how awkward you'd land and likely still break your wrist. The hand isn't supposed to be moving many times faster than the wrist. "Hand speed" in punches doesn't exist. You're attributing something to something that should never be added. The fact that you think it applies and can be a reasonable assessment of a punch might be dumber than you thinking you can punch that fast. You continuing to say it's not a real punch isn't making matters better. That's just you backtracking immensely into something you think is more reasonable when it's still completely retarded.
Notice how nobody actually disagreed with your hand speed argument. Comet even summed it up. They disagreed with you calling it a punch.
You can see you moving goalposts here while still saying it's a punch. You have now shifted into still thinking you had a point with hand speed.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=573984&pagenumber=8
There's a reason why nobody in any combat sport has ever recorded hand speed as a measure of the punch's speed. Because the speed the punch is coming at you is going to directly correlate to how fast the wrist/fist gets to you, and a hand speed angle will only break your wrist while not actually reaching you faster.
You could attach a sensor to your fingertips right now and just flip your wrists like a homo and I have no doubt you'd get 20-30 mph with no arm movement. But it's also not a punch and it's also not going to do any damage.
All of your excuses are also hilarious, it's not just the "punch at this speed".
Your hand speed does not translate into punch speed in anyway. If you honestly think so, ask Guinness Records to pay you a visit, and then ask why people who live their entire lives to break records haven't been throwing baseball fists in excess of 60-90 mph.
I don't know if I covered everything properly, but it's more than you deserve.