Plagueis most powerful sith?

Plagueis was the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived. But could he be the only one who never died?

I found quote on Wookiepedia which got it from the back of the novel.

Could this quote be true? Has any one read the novel and could state his feats if any?

If that was on the authors thing, that is just to get people interested, I would doubt is credence as canon. (The word is credence, right? Not sure for some reason x.x)

He was, at the time, the strongest Rule of Two Sith ever, though Sidious eventually surpassed him.

Sidious definitely killed him.

It's just back-of-book hype. I have a SF novel which hypes up trying to find the solution to a murder mystery, when the mystery played a big role in the *prior* novel and worrying about it happening was not a big thing in most of the sequel (Cyteen and Regenesis by CJ Cherryh, for reference). Yet from the back, you'd think the second was all about hunting down the killer.

Pwned- Yes, credence works there.

It's part of the publisher's summary, which doesn't really mean much IMHO.

Thats a little strange considering so posters here(which are banned) has constantly used the quotes from the back cover of the LOTF novels to argue Caedus power levels.

I think one such quote was him being even "greater than that of vader"

Yup. But a cursory examination of publisher's summaries across the board reveals some questionable conclusions.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
[b]Plagueis was the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived. But could he be the only one who never died?

I found quote on Wookiepedia which got it from the back of the novel.

Could this quote be true? Has any one read the novel and could state his feats if any? [/B]

No, Sidous displayed greater disparity in DE.

We have another contender:

Sith Emperor have been described as the history's most powerful dark side master in a recent canon source: Star Wars The Old Republic Encylopedia.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
We have another contender:

Sith Emperor have been described as the history's most powerful dark side master in a recent canon source: Star Wars The Old Republic Encylopedia.

Now that one's actually a pretty easy argument to make.

Originally posted by Q99
Now that one's actually a pretty easy argument to make.

Well let's put it into perspective.

We are talking about raw pure command of Force energy.

There are only three "Sith" that surpass Plagueis in that sense, and they all did something he didn't to achieve that kind of power, Force Drain. These three Sith were DE Palpatine, Vitiate, and Darth Nihilus.

Plagueis most likely could have succeeded where Sidious failed, he probably could have over-powered Mace Windu and his lackeys. He could probably trash the likes of the Starkiller Clone or even Satele Shan. He was stronger than Sidious pre-Dark Empire era.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
[b]Plagueis was the most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived. But could he be the only one who never died?

I found quote on Wookiepedia which got it from the back of the novel.

Could this quote be true? Has any one read the novel and could state his feats if any? [/B]

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
We have another contender:

Sith Emperor have been described as the history's most powerful dark side master in a recent canon source: Star Wars The Old Republic Encylopedia.

That would-be sith emporer had to use sith sorcery to destroy a planet, and attempted to do the same to a galaxy and failed. Darth Nihilus used the technique that was just as old as the sith themselfs, (Hunger) he used his hunger to devour entire planets wiping them clean of life both physically and in-the-force.

If Darth Nihilus had complete control over his hunger he would be deemed unstoppable, almost like Marka Ragnos when he was in his prime during his lifetime.

You same to be very caught up in the obscurities of the ancient Sith.

Ajunta Pall was one of the first Dark Jedi to go Dark Side, but he had not abilities in Midi-chlorian manipulation in comparison to Plagueis, who could stop death. And Ajunta Pall certainly never created life, ever.

That was a ritual that required the concentration of two extremely power Sith Lords, Plagueis and Sidious..the ritual was not designed to create life, but rather to thwart the light side, which retaliated in the conception of the potentially most powerful being in the mythos.

Palpatine mutilated the truth behind Anakin's conception, by claiming it was the Dark Side that created life, it was really the light side, the Living Force Qui-Gon Jinn studied. It was the only true path to immortality, as well as the creation of life, the Living Force can do anything it pleases. Dark Side Spirits are the same as Light Side Spirits, however, as the Dark Side is just a pervesion of the Living Force, with a malevolent will. It's just the Sith have a way of provoking the Living Force that the Jedi don't.

I think it would be hard to determine which Sith was the more powerful as of the Darth Plagueis novel. I don't think Sidious killing Plagueis means Sidious was more powerful, as there was never a fight, only deception.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I think it would be hard to determine which Sith was the more powerful as of the Darth Plagueis novel. I don't think Sidious killing Plagueis means Sidious was more powerful, as there was never a fight, only deception.

Other than the fact that his abilities in the Force exceeded his apprentice? Other than the fact that he could disentigrate opponents much like Vitiate? Yeah.

Eventually through his studies, Master Pall discovered the secret of creating and shaping life; fearful of this power, the Order deemed it an abomination of the Force and sought to erase all practice of it.

Only problem with this is that we don't know exactly how Ajunta 'created' life.

He definitely created new life-forms, along with his allies.

Their group of 12, including Ajunta Pall, Muur and XoXaan, invented the Transfer Essence technique, and made the first Leviathans. They're also responsible for the Rakghoul plague (mostly Muur on that one).

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Darth Nihilus would devour "the sith emporer"

Fact is that Sith Emperor emerged unscathed from an event that was similar in nature to that of Nihilus's attack on Katarr.

I guess that "immortality" changes the game; I don't recall a single event in the mythos in which Sith Emperor got hurt by a Force based attack.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
That would-be sith emporer had to use sith sorcery to destroy a planet,

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
and attempted to do the same to a galaxy and failed.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
Darth Nihilus used the technique that was just as old as the sith themselfs, (Hunger) he used his hunger to devour entire planets wiping them clean of life both physically and in-the-force.

Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
If Darth Nihilus had complete control over his hunger he would be deemed unstoppable, almost like Marka Ragnos when he was in his prime during his lifetime.

Marka Ragnos was certainly a master of the dark side but Vitiate surpassed him in power canonically as disclosed in this thread.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is your opinion; not a proven fact.

Fact is that Sith Emperor emerged unscathed from an event that was similar in nature to that of Nihilus's attack on Katarr.

I guess that "immortality" changes the game; I don't recall a single event in the mythos in which Sith Emperor got hurt by a Force based attack.

So? Sith Sorcery can also be performed during combat situations. Sith Sorcery doesn't precludes an individual's command of the dark side; it represents it.

Very short-sighted assessment; he would have destroyed the Galaxy but was STOPPED. Try to note the difference.

Star Wars The Complete Encyclopedia regards this information as a legend, mind you. We only have Visas's perspective to consider for this information which is open to scrutiny. The source itself is titled "Unseen Unheard" which implies that the information contained in it is open to interpretation (leave audience guessing).

Maybe!

Marka Ragnos was certainly a master of the dark side but Vitiate surpassed him in power canonically as disclosed in this thread.

Vitiate NEVER surpassed Ragnos. Marka Ragnos is the most powerful Dark lord of the sith. He lived for 20,000 years after the formation of the old republic and became a Sith lord in his last years, he demonstrated that he could turn enemy on enemy with ease, while possessing tremendous strength both physically and in-the-force even though he had a aged body. And for as long as he ruled no one dared to oppose him not even the likes of Vitiate, in fact Trenbrae earned the name Vitiate after his training under Ragnos was complete, which explains how he broke the wills of 8,000 sith lords at once not too long after his training under ragnos was complete.

And another thing was Vitiate didn't live as long as Marka Ragnos, even though he supposedly became immortal, he passed away. (it was already confirmed on the plagueis novel that Vitiate passed away) Depending on how long one lives determines one's strength in the force and Vitiate's "immortality" pales in comparison, he only lived for 7,000 years and died in a coffen somewhere after he ran out of Sith lords to feed off of.

Tavion should have choosen to ressurect Vitiate since you think he was the most powerful, but she didn't. Luke Skywalker the seemingly most powerful jedi of all time said himself, that If Marka Ragnos was ever ressurected back at his full power and body restored, ALL J E D I EVERYWHERE will die.

There was a reason why it was said that Ragnos was the most powerful force user in Sith history and Jedi history.