Originally posted by Q99No minor correction. Marka Ragnos lived for 20,000 years due to his tremendous growing strength, without using vitiate's method. Vitiate lived for 7,000 years and died in a coffen somewhere after he ran out of his sith lord food supply. Marka Ragnos became a sith lord in his last years, he ruled for 100 years unopposed and died shortly after his golden age century long rule.
Minor correction: You added an extra word in there. He lived 20,000 years after the formation of the old republic (or in other words, around 5,000 BBY), not for 20,000 years.
Not to mention that it was already said that Marka Ragnos was born long before 5,000 BBY.
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
No minor correction. Marka Ragnos lived for 20,000 years
Dude, nothing says that.
Wookiepedia doesn't say that (no 'for'😉, and I have the original comic which is the source of the quote.
The original comic definitely doesn't say that either.
You need to stop your 'misread something then treat it as gospel truth' thing.
Originally posted by Q99No i didn't misread anything, go back to Marka Ragnos's biography and click on lived for 20,000 years after the formation of the old republic. That link leads to circa 5,100 BBY. During that time, he decided to become a sith in his last years and dueled simus for the title of Dark Lord Of the Sith. Its all but unknown as to what Ragnos was doing for 19,999 years. Thats why the link takes you to circa 5,100 BBY, when he began making notable achievements. And afterwards he died in 5,000 BBY, ending the golden age of the sith empire. He was already noted to be born long before 5,100 BBY or 5,000 BBY.
Dude, nothing says that.Wookiepedia doesn't say that (no 'for'😉, and I have the original comic which is the source of the quote.
The original comic definitely doesn't say that either.
You need to stop your 'misread something then treat it as gospel truth' thing.
Originally posted by Star Wars Logic
No i didn't misread anything, go back to Marka Ragnos's biography and click on lived for 20,000 years after the formation of the old republic. That link leads to circa 5,100 BBY.
5,100 BBY is 20,000 years after the formation of the old republic. It's two ways of saying the same thing.
There is no word 'for' in the sentence. Nothing says he lived 20k years, you're misreading again.
One of his rivals from when he first became Sith lord is also notably still alive, Lord Simus.
He was already noted to be born long before 5,100 BBY or 5,000 BBY.
Specifically, it said "Ragnos lived for over a hundred years." Also, his rulership only started somewhat over a century too.
How much over, we don't know precisely, but nothing described him as surviving for thousands of years, just that it's over 100 years as-of when he died in 5,000 BBY (which, btw, is where wookiepedia got the 'born before 5,100' number from, 5,000 - 100+).
Now, if someone lived for 20,000, why would you describe that as 'over 100 years,' consistently, and why would you never mention living thousands of years, and why would one of his rivals still be alive?
Heck, the Sith Empire was only founded in 6,900 BBY! And at that point, the Dark Jedi Exiles were said to have kicked the butt
If he lived for 20k years, that means that he did almost nothing for 18k, then some upstarts came and took over, then for something around 1,800-1,900 years remained not-the-leader, and then had a close rival at that point. It paints a pretty pathetic picture, all in all.
Double heck, Marka Ragnos was a sith hybrid directly descended from the original Dark Jedi Exiles of the Hundred Years Darkness! And they only met the Sith in 6,900!
He's descended from people who moved to Korriban in 6,900. So, he's apparently 13,100 years older than his own grandpa, eh? 😉
"Once we were mighty Jedi of the Republic, brothers in the Force but the Great Schism between the Dark side and the Light turned Jedi against Jedi. Our ancestors were defeated, driven off, cast out! But we turned our exile into victory, here on the far side of the galaxy. In these unblemished worlds we found the Sith people treated us as Gods! After many centuries some of us have interbred with the Sith while others still bear true Jedi blood. Our Sith Empire is great, rich, and powerful. This is our Golden Age."
―Marka Ragnos, Dark Lord of the Sith
Marka himself talks about his ancestors, the Exiles of the Hundred Year Darkness, which was 6,900 BBY.
Originally posted by Q99They met the sith in 7,001 BBY. No it was already said that he was born LONG before 5,100 BBY, he wasn't in his late 100's when he died more like late thousands.5,100 BBY is 20,000 years after the formation of the old republic. It's two ways of saying the same thing.
There is no word 'for' in the sentence. Nothing says he lived 20k years, you're misreading again.
One of his rivals from when he first became Sith lord is also notably still alive, Lord Simus.
Specifically, it said "Ragnos lived for over a hundred years." Also, his rulership only started somewhat over a century too.
How much over, we don't know precisely, but nothing described him as surviving for thousands of years, just that it's over 100 years as-of when he died in 5,000 BBY (which, btw, is where wookiepedia got the 'born before 5,100' number from, 5,000 - 100+).
Now, if someone lived for 20,000, why would you describe that as 'over 100 years,' consistently, and why would you never mention living thousands of years, and why would one of his rivals still be alive?
Heck, the Sith Empire was only founded in 6,900 BBY! And at that point, the Dark Jedi Exiles were said to have kicked the butt
If he lived for 20k years, that means that he did almost nothing for 18k, then some upstarts came and took over, then for something around 1,800-1,900 years remained not-the-leader, and then had a close rival at that point. It paints a pretty pathetic picture, all in all.
Double heck, Marka Ragnos was a sith hybrid directly descended from the original Dark Jedi Exiles of the Hundred Years Darkness! And they only met the Sith in 6,900!
He's descended from people who moved to Korriban in 6,900. So, he's apparently 13,100 years older than his own grandpa, eh? 😉
"Once we were mighty Jedi of the Republic, brothers in the Force but the Great Schism between the Dark side and the Light turned Jedi against Jedi. Our ancestors were defeated, driven off, cast out! But we turned our exile into victory, here on the far side of the galaxy. In these unblemished worlds we found the Sith people treated us as Gods! After many centuries some of us have interbred with the Sith while others still bear true Jedi blood. Our Sith Empire is great, rich, and powerful. This is our Golden Age."
―Marka Ragnos, Dark Lord of the SithMarka himself talks about his ancestors, the Exiles of the Hundred Year Darkness, which was 6,900 BBY. [/B]
It was specifically siad that his rule lasted for over a century, not his lifespan.
Simus only survived his head being removed only to serve as Ragnos's example to the dark council.
It still dosen't change the fact that Marka Ragnos is the most powerful force user in jedi & sith history.
20,000 years is short for 2,000 🤣 xD.
They met the sith in 7,001 BBY. No it was already said that he was born LONG before 5,100 BBY, he wasn't in his late 100's when he died more like late thousands.It was specifically siad that his rule lasted for over a century, not his lifespan.
'Over a century' is the longest number we have for anything about him.
Could be 200, could be 300. No specifics. Also, the longer his lift span, the more time he spent as a subordinate and not in charge. Honestly I can't picture someone as talented in the force as him being second-fiddle for *that* long.
They met the sith in 7,001 BBY.
Nope, they arrived at Korriban at the end of the Hundred-Years Darkness. The HYD started in 7,003 and lasted until 6,900. It was only with their defeat that they went to Korriban.
It still dosen't change the fact that Marka Ragnos is the most powerful force user in jedi & sith history.
The sources only say he was among the most powerful.
20,000 years is short for 2,000
So, you're arguing... that because one number is impossible, it's another number that's also never been mentioned in respect to his age?
And that'd still make him older than his own grandpa, so, nope.
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
Was he killed by his apprentice a little too early? Would he and his apprentice live for eternity?
Yes truly. He would have been able.
Everyone here forgot that Darth Tenebrous stripped Plagueis of foresight, and this caused him not to foresee his own death.
With all respect to my favourite sith (Darth Sidious), I feel Plagueis would have beaten him in a duel, which James Luceno also feels (in an facebook interview)
Originally posted by Q99
At the time, yes, but Sidious kept studying after he died and likely grew stronger.
Originally posted by Vensai
It's hard to judge based on their limited feats from the book. Most just go with Luceno's view that Plagueis had some degree of an edge over his apprentice.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
An edge? Sure. A big one? Not at all. Sidious, at this point, has strength feats on par, speed feats on par, superior skill showings and, although not on Plagueis's level, impressive demonstration of power.
I love this quote from the book. It's Plagueis making a 17 year old Palpatine his Sith apprentice after his amazing talk with him..
Plagueis: "Then kneel before me. And pledge that it is your will to join your destiny forever with the Order of the Sith Lords.."
(Young Palpatine kneels and repeats pledge.)
Palgueis: "Then it is done. From this day forward, the truth of you, now and forevermore, will be,.... Sidious. In time, you will come to understand that you are one with the Dark Side of the Force, and that your power is beyond contradiction. But just now, and until I tell you differently, abiding submission is your only road to salvation.."
lol, cool huh?
Originally posted by FistOfThe North
I love this quote from the book. It's Plagueis making a 17 year old Palpatine his Sith apprentice after his amazing talk with him..Plagueis: "Then kneel before me. And pledge that it is your will to join your destiny forever with the Order of the Sith Lords.."
(Young Palpatine kneels and repeats pledge.)
Palgueis: "Then it is done. From this day forward, the truth of you, now and forevermore, will be,.... Sidious. In time, you will come to understand that you are one with the Dark Side of the Force, and that your power is beyond contradiction. But just now, and until I tell you differently, abiding submission is your only road to salvation.."
lol, cool huh?
"You lost the game on the very first day you chose to train me to rule by your side—or better still under your thumb. Teacher, yes, and for that I will be eternally grateful. But Master—never."
―Palpatine to Darth Plagueis