Originally posted by Robtard
Comparing Legolas to an ork bowman, even 10 ork bowmen is a massive undersell of the elf. His speed and skill with a bow is beyond anything the dwarves faced in An Unexpected Journey. He's also a killing machine with his twin long knives.Just look at the scene where he solos a war mumakil and crew.
Arrows are arrows. Orcs and Urakai proved to be quite dumb. Besides their warlord who killed Boromir.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Arrows are arrows. Orcs and Urakai proved to be quite dumb.
No, they aren't, especially when fired from more powerful bows and more skilled bowmen.
Remember the scene when the Fellowship was fleeing from the Balrog, even though the goblins had the high ground, their arrows were skittering harmlessly due the the extreme range, while Legolas had no problem firing back and drilling them.
Dwarf blocking an ork arrow isn't comparable to him doing it to Legolas' fire on a 1-per-1 basis, as people are implying.
Originally posted by RobtardIt still shows extreme skill, in fact Aragorn deflecting a knife thrown at him by that one Uru-Kai is one of his better reaction feats possibly his best. Deflecting arrows is harder than even that.
No, they aren't, especially when fired from more powerful bows and more skilled bowmen.Remember the scene when the Fellowship was fleeing from the Balrog, even though the goblins had the high ground, their arrows were skittering harmlessly due the the extreme range, while Legolas had no problem firing back and drilling them.
Dwarf blocking an ork arrow isn't comparable to him doing it to Legolas' fire on a 1-per-1 basis, as people are implying.
Originally posted by -kV-at least half the Dwarves so some kind of fighting ability imo. They all show pretty good reflexes and skill with the dish scene which was just crazy.
Out of the 13, the best fighters seem to be Thorin, Balin, Dwalin, Fili, Kili, and Oin (I think).Aragorn is arguably the best mortal warrior in the Third Age. He drove off 5 Nazgul, including the Witch King. Boromir is on par with Aragorn. How many Uruk-Hai (the strongest breed of Orc) did Boromir slay at Amon Hen. Gimli seems just as good as the other Dwarves mentioned above, except for Thorin. And Legolas is just a beast.
The Dwarves are very in sync, but I think Legolas could take out Kili and kill several of them from the beginning. Aragorn could probably duel Thorin and one more Dwarf, and Boromir could take on 2 or 3 at once. Gimli could engage in at least one as well.
It's hard imagining the Dwarves losing this due to their sheer numbers and their in-sync ability. At the same time, it's hard imagining a team of Aragorn/Legolas/Gimli/Boromir ever getting overwhelmed.
I say Fellowship for now, but this could go either way.
Also just for a little fun. I just thought of this but technically that band of Dwarves were able to sneak out Rivendal without any Elves noticing it. That's got to be like the best sneaking feat in all of the Series 😛
Originally posted by the ninjak
You don't think a group of warriors who could bounce plates around a living room couldn't deflect arrows with ease?Kili did it multiple times.
Modern day jugglers can bounce around plates, doesn't mean they can catch arrows.
As an above poster pointed out, none of the Three hunters were ever, ever wounded in the entire 3 movies of LOTR. Whereas in just 1 movie of the Hobbit, the dwarves were pounded, caught, and wounded. Even Thorin got the crap beat out of him by that albino Orc. Legolas would have made short work of that Orc even on his warg.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Modern day jugglers can bounce around plates, doesn't mean they can catch arrows.As an above poster pointed out, none of the Three hunters were ever, ever wounded in the entire 3 movies of LOTR. Whereas in just 1 movie of the Hobbit, the dwarves were pounded, caught, and wounded. Even Thorin got the crap beat out of him by that albino Orc. Legolas would have made short work of that Orc even on his warg.
Aragorn had trouble with the one Worg Rider.
White Orc and White Worg bigger and badder than that Worg Rider Orc 😛
Gimili was about to die from two worgs.
The Fellowship was having trouble with any troll they ran across.
The dwarves were practically manhandling 3 Trolls and would have won had it not been for them using Bilbo to make them drop their weapons.
So what I'm trying to say is that the Fellowship wasn't as untouchable as you make them sound.
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Originally posted by Newjak
Show me modern day Jugglers doing what the dwarves did then I'll agree to that first statement.Aragorn had trouble with the one Worg Rider.
White Orc and White Worg bigger and badder than that Worg Rider Orc 😛
Gimili was about to die from two worgs.
The Fellowship was having trouble with any troll they ran across.
The dwarves were practically manhandling 3 Trolls and would have won had it not been for them using Bilbo to make them drop their weapons.
So what I'm trying to say is that the Fellowship wasn't as untouchable as you make them sound.
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There is no juggler, modern day or otherwise, that can replicate the feats of 13 men (dwarfs). However, a juggler can juggle plates and pans and flaming axes easily. Now if you could get 13 jugglers together, I'm sure they can manage plates decently.
Besides, the point here is, juggling plates is not the same as catching arrows. Plates don't travel at the same velocity, nor have the same aerodynamics.
Secondly, I didn't say Aragorn would handle that warg riding troll. I said it was Legolas who would do it. As for Aragorn having trouble with a warg rider, that was in the middle of a battle where Aragorn and his troup were seriously outnumbered. Thorin on the other hand charged that big albino Orc one on one. I never saw Aragorn, Legolas, or GImli take such a beathing as Thorin did when fighting one on one.... and Thorin was already supposed to be the best fighter among the dwarfs.
No, the three hunters are not exactly untouchable, well at least not Aragorn and Gimli (Legolas has yet to be hit by anything), but the point I'm trying to make is that they got hit way way less in 3 movies than the 13 dwarfs did in 1 long movie where not much action took place.
You're right plates aren't arrows but what the dwarves did takes an extreme amount of skill, also the one dwarf in the that scene caught a knife or fork thrown straight at his head from behind. Also Thorin was casually bouncing plates behind him without any worry of breaking dishes, and they were doing it from room to room.
Aragorn vs the Troll in the final Charge got beat up pretty bad one on one,
The Fellowship vs the Cave Troll in Moira was not an easy fight.
Aragorn vs the Major Uru-Kai. The monster pinned Aragorn's head to a tree and almost cut it off.
Also Aragorn and his people were not that outnumbered against the wargs in that scene as they had the men on Rohan with them and had horses. In fact I'm not really sure they were outnumbered at all.
Gimili got caught underneath one Warg while the 13 dwarves killed many without the aid of horses or arrows.
Even Legolas took to Horse when the Wargs got remotely close to him.
So don't make it sound like the 3 hunters walked through everything or that it was easy breezy for them.
Plus you make it sound like the Dwarves got murdered all the time without making note of some specific things. The dwarves were never backed by any sizable force when they directly engaged foes like the Fellowship. It was normally them against forces similar to the Fellowship without the aid of Rohan or Gondor backing them up or a Ghost army. It was just 13 dwarves vs everything. Yet the only times they really got beaten were when they were taken by surprise or they were extremely outnumbered even more so then the Fellowship had to deal with or Bilbo got taken prisoner.
If you put the Fellowship in similar situations they would probably have ended up in similar positions as the Dwarves.
Aragorn takes out Uruk-Hai like there was no tomorrow and like was said before manages to force back 5 Nazgul . The Trolls that were in the hobbit were dim-witted and slow unlike the armoured troll that was in ROTK. The company placed in the same circumstances as the fellowship would not fare as well and the plate juggling in the hobbit is meant for a bit of comic relief as the original is a childrens book. No, the fellowship takes this one. Anyone who disagrees imagine the company facing 5 Nazgul. What do you think would happen, really?
Originally posted by the ninjak
After everything I've read the Dwarves win this.And we still have 2 films to go. This is going to be a heavily bumped thread.
Aragorn alone faces and beats off 5 Nazgul (including the witch king) and all the others included in the rings team and you still think the dwarves win? LOL bless! 😆