Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Performance, in combat situations, are feats in whole, bro.
'Performance' is a nebulous thing to use as a base of comparison. Certain characters who are portrayed as unstoppable Wargods are not actually that great.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Let us re-analyze Bane's performances then:- [B]Lord Kas'im
proved to be a good match for Bane. You may argue that he is among the greatest duelists but he isn't noted much for his command in the Force. Even that power which Bane unleashed on Lord Kas'im after getting out of the Temple; did jack to the latter. Unfortunately for Lord Kas'im, he found himself in unfavorable circumstances and became a victim of it.[/b]
Indeed, you know that Kas'im is considered by many here to be top-tier in terms of lightsaber skills, and no he isn't known for being great in the Force but nor is he known to be weak in it. Bane was overpowering Kas'im due to being much more powerful than him. Also as Q99 said this was Bane still as an apprentice. As for the Force Wave, it was a Force Wave, meaning that only a small part of it actually hit Kas'im. It was aimed at the temple and succeeded in destroying it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- [B]Raskta Lsu proved to be a good match for Bane. You may argue that she is among the greatest duelists but she isn't noted much for her command of the Force either. So how come, Bane who is supposed to r**e opponents with the Force, could not manage to overcome Raskta in this manner at least? Zannah actually removed her from the picture.[/b]
Yes, she was a great duelist and had the benefit of battle meditation and allies like Farfalla, who btw protected her from Bane's Force attacks (Bane would have killed her in a single force push otherwise).
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
- [B]Darth Zannah proved to be a good match for Bane. Regardless of the martial superiority of Bane, just one talent of Zannah was sufficient to change the tide of this duel.[/b]
Bane was clearly the superior. He was able to fight her off without a freaking lightsaber at one point. It was only when he busted out the tentacles that he lost.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan is no slouch in Lightsaber combat either. He cannot be one of the Order's greatest champions without being exceptional in all aspects of combat; that he was. Every kind of opponent was easy meal for him with sabers. Just because we do not get to see him performing rain feat or something beautiful similarly, doesn't suggests that he cannot hold his own against other formidable duelists. Revan's precognitive abilities are legendary by all accounts. Even if an opponent is split-second late against him in a dueling contest; game is over for the opponent.
Blah blah blah you love Revan, we know. There is nothing here that's actually usable as proof of his skill. 'Every kind of opponent was easy meal for him with sabers' LOL!
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yes.
Beauty refers of someones appearance, not as you were using it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you think that one gains this level of proficiency without considerable understanding of the Force in general? Ask Yoda.Force Lightning is a symbol of pride for powerful Force-wielders. Tanking such kind of powers is no easy feat.
If Bane unleashes his Force Lightning against Revan; he is effectively doomed.
This does not mean that Revan is equally as good in other combat areas as he is in Tutaminis.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I have already pointed out that we never saw Revan in a situation in which he gathered his power and then channeled and/or focused it towards anything. This is evidence enough.
No, it isn't. It is an absence of evidence. You have nothing to support your argument because Revan never demonstrated exceptional offensive Force powers, as i said.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Correction: He destroyed the entrance of a (unmaintained) Temple in Lehon. And he performed this feat after he gathered his power and channeled it towards the intended target; which did jack to the opponent by the way who isn't even noted much for his command in the Force. Revan laughs.
The feat is still far and away superior to anything Revan has done. 🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And these attackers even compare to an ordinary Jedi in the context of defensive abilities; let alone Revan?
They were made of metal, if thats what you mean. It is a destructive feat on a level above Revan by far. That they were no Jedi means nothing, especially when you tout others feats against non-Jedi as it pleases you.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Those two doors were enormous in size:Despite this, he still felt a chill in his gut when he saw again the enormous durasteel doors of the throne room.
Heavy:
The two soldiers who had been about to push open the heavy durasteel doors froze in place.
and also sealed.
Revan effortlessely handled this level of blockade:
Before they could join in the fight, Revan thrust his hand, palm up, in the direction of the sealed durasteel doors, blasting them wide open with the power of the Force.
It isn't like Maul messing with the electronics of a relatively much smaller single door to force it to open.
Also, if you consider concrete structures;
At the far end of the hall, another half a dozen of the Imperial Guard rounded the corner. Revan reached out with the Force and ripped the vaulted stone archway in the ceiling above them free from its setting. A shower of dust and debris rained down on the reinforcements, sending them into temporary retreat.
No where it is implied that Revan gathered his power to perform these feats. He simply gestured and feats happened.
Wow, thats awesome.
Still not even close to Bane in terms of power. 🙂
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Easy for you to say. Revan's Force Lightining can engulf the whole body of the target and not just the Lightsaber like you saw in the Battle of Geonosis.
Lol, when does Revan unleash Force Lightning that engulfs a persons whole body? Not that it matters as Bane can draw the bolts into his lightsaber, which is how blocking with one works. Did you think the bolts just happened to only hit the blade?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Show me the exact detail involving tanking of Force Lightning.
In ROT he is struck by multiple Force pikes which shocked him with over a million volts. The orbalisks absorbed all of it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revan could easily handle extremely lethal bursts of Force Lightning; his own power would not be lesser by any means.
They are completely different techniques on completely different sides of the Force.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't bother. That retard will continue to spout that ****ing bullshit no matter what you say.
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Is this Darth Revan or Jedi Master Revan?So it is necessary to pick an incarnation of Revan here.
In KOTOR, Malak said to Revan that he's more powerful than ever. So it's Revan at that point, where he uses light and dark sided powers and defeated Malak, blew up Death Sta- ummm, Star Forge, and was generally awesome.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Come back when your intelligence is a widespread fact junior.As opposed to the joke we all tell at the watercooler.
Only a fool would make thread that only receives 2 posts:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=573817
edit - btw in sports forums I am renowned for my insight and analysis into sport of MMA.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThe post above mentioned Bane nearly dying to his own lightning. I may have misread, but it sounded like his tanking ability was dismissed due to this.
Dismissing Bane on the basis of what exactly?May I remind you that how Jedi Master Kriea defined Revan?
This is absolutely wrong.
-Did he emerge victorious against Zannah on his own?
-Did he emerge victorious against Raskta Lsu on his own?His best showing is against Lord Kas'im.
I fully acknowledge the fact that Bane was intelligent. But so was Revan.
When Revan faced a formidable duelist in combat; he didn't exchange blow after blow with the opponent. Instead, he aided his actions with acrobatics and his exceptional precognitive abilities allowed him to outgun such a martial opponent ASAP.
For Revan, every kind of opponent was easy meal with sabers. This makes sense because he had previously fought through an entire army of Sith to reach the position of Darth Malak on Star Forge. This could only be possible through combination of great intelligence, skill with the blade and power of the Force.
Using the word 'armored' is futile unless that armor was designed to resist the effects of Force Lightning.
Darth Nyriss reduced two soldiers to charred smoking husks in split-second with just a casual burst of Force Lightning, as per her standards.
Bane's proficiency with Force Lightning isn't in question here; I can expect him to overwhelm many many potential opponents with Force Lightning; but Revan is on a different league then most in this aspect.
Bane was a fast learner nonetheless and had outperformed all students in the Academy during his time. When a Sith leaves an Academy, he is assumed to be prepared for external threats beyond.
Also, Bane learned a lot from Revan's holocron prior to his confrontation with Lord Kas'im; he had ample time for this. His power in the dark side coupled with immense knowledge of the Sith Lore was a winning combination.
Lord Kas'im was a great warrior IMO; a unique individual among the generally weak and pathetic brotherhood of darkness. But then canon implies that one has to be Vitiate or equivalent to push Revan to his limits. So what shall we do? Stop using logic?
They weren't loosing as long as BM was in effect. Unfortunately for them, Bane disturbed the guy who was aiding the other Jedi with BM with the Force, if I recall correctly. But then these Jedi did not offered much to Bane and Zannah in terms of offensive capabilities apart from their martial abilities.
I believe that Bane could handle her in a nuetral setting. Zannah's command of Sith Sorcery gaver her the edge she needed in the setting involving a dark side nexus. However, she endured all that martial pressure of Bane for a while which assures me that someone as capable as Revan can also do. His talents would permit him to do so and may even grant him an opening.
Some of the Revan's major opponents were also proficient in Sith Sorcery. Just a point to note.
I admire your liking of this character; he is also among the favorites of mine. However, Bane isn't the unstoppable juggernaut of destruction that some make him out to be.
Revan was extraordinarily powerful without such aids.
Against Lsu, he was fighting 2 Masters empowered by Battle Meditation, and another Knight (who was useful because of Lsu)
Truth be told, Neph answered most of these in a post higher up the page. So in the interest of cutting redundancy, I must refer you to it.
Also, Bane is still a beast without the orbalisks, as I am sure you know due to being a fan of him. However, he is pretty damn close to an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction. He doesn't get around Top 5 Sith of All Time for no reason 😛
Originally posted by TheOneOfMortisedit - btw in sports forums I am renowned for my insight and analysis into sport of MMA.
WTF has that got to do w/ Star Wars, Darth Ray Park? And how are you still here? You've been reported multiple times and yet here you are. Will the admins. do their job? And nobody ***king cares about your fake ass fantasy MMA stats and bullshit imagined occupation as a SW writer. Man, get out with that crap. You're a fake!
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
WTF has that got to do w/ Star Wars, Darth Ray Park? And how are you still here? You've been reported multiple times and yet here you are. Will the admins. do their job? And nobody ***king cares about your fake ass fantasy MMA stats and bullshit imagined occupation as a SW writer. Man, get out with that crap. You're a fake!
Buddy, quit being upset at the fact that my mma knowledge is vastly greater than yours and you got you ass handed to you in our last debate on the topic.
Come to the sports forums and prove me wrong i you can, but i dont think youre going to do that, and its because you is scared.
BTW, never claimed to be SW writer buddy.
Buddy you obviously dont remember correctly yes I worked as a member of the crew on Attack of the Clones and I do know George personally, but I didn't claim to have worked on the screenplays for the films, I have written screenplays for other projects though (most notably I wrote some of the episodes for tv sitcom "It's Always sunny in Philadelphia" as well as the lyrics for some of the songs).