The fact is Nihilus is stronger in the Force at this point, his connection won't stay as strong for as long, but it is indeed stronger.
Originally posted by jadams3928
What are you even basing this on? Nothing suggests Nihilus is stronger than Vitiate. There's also nothing suggesting that either one of these are going to do anything to the other
Nihilus already had a stronger connection. This is what Malachor V did to him. He survived the effects of the Mass Shadow Generator by instinctually feeding off of his Jedi companions, but the way it was used was so unnatural that it gave him greater preternatural empathy towards the dark side than the Half-Sith Vitiate despite his gaudy displays of power at an early age.
I'm basing it off of the fact that Vitiate didn't even drain an army of Jedi along with Nathema's populace, and he had the aid of eight thousand Sith Lords. This took him months. Nihilus probably did this to Katarr in hours, without any help at all.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Or maybe it takes about an hour to drain a whole planet? We do see people running away and shit so the cloud isn't like, lightspeed and drains the planet in the space of a single word.
Pretty sure Visas says "when my lord spoke everything died muthafukkas," or something to that effect. That would preclude an hour.
Originally posted by Dolos
Nihilus already had a stronger connection. This is what Malachor V did to him. He survived the effects of the Mass Shadow Generator by instinctually feeding off of his Jedi companions,
The use of the word "Companion" here, is incorrect.
Nihilus wasn't a Jedi, and likely just an average person of some sort.
But yes, surviving the destruction of the Mass Shadow Generator indeed turned him into maelstrom-wormhole of Dark side energy.
Originally posted by Dolos
but the way it was used was so unnatural that it gave him greater preternatural empathy towards the dark side than the Half-Sith Vitiate despite his gaudy displays of power at an early age.
It doesn't have anything to do with empathy - Nihilus is not a Force-sensitive Human with MidiChlorians in his blood that determine his feed to the Force.
Nihilus is the walking energetic-embodiment of a black hole in the Force - a maelstrom of Dark side energy that simply feeds, and uses it's own power - and the power of worlds to destroy.
Originally posted by Dolos
I'm basing it off of the fact that Vitiate didn't even drain an army of Jedi along with Nathema's populace, and he had the aid of eight thousand Sith Lords. This took him months.
Yup.
Originally posted by Dolos
Nihilus probably did this to Katarr in hours,
Seconds. The few panels indicate it was done within a few moments amount of time; upon utterance.
Kreia's weaker version also takes seconds.
Originally posted by Dolos
without any help at all.
Yup. He simply speaks.
Knights of the Old Republic Companion Guide
The future Dark Lord survived the superweapon's destruction of the surface and assumed a dark persona while grieving his losses,[2] in part as a means of survival.[7] He was trapped on the planet by the artificially-created mass shadows along with the bulk of the opposing, disabled fleets that filled space around the planet—where the Mandalorians had committed all of their forces in a last attempt at defeating the Republic—and took ill suddenly due to the shadows' effects. His emotional pain then manifested as an emptiness that swept over the man's idle body and it soon began to manifest as an intense "hunger." Without intent, he drained the life-force of another survivor. The act was an unpleasant experience for him, but the hunger and his painful memories faded for a brief moment alongside his sickness. Nonetheless, the emptiness returned more relentless and severe than before. He indulged in absorbing the energy of other survivors, but, the more he fed, the shorter the hunger was appeased and the more powerful it became.
Originally posted by jadams3928
What are you even basing this on? Nothing suggests Nihilus is stronger than Vitiate. There's also nothing suggesting that either one of these are going to do anything to the other
Nihilus: -
Drain: Killing entire Planets full of people in seconds, with a single utterance.
Telekinesis: Ripping a gigantic Warship out of the grasp of a Planetary Gravity-Well.
Force Durability: Tanking a blast that ripped a Planet into pieces.
And where does Vitiate stack in relation to this?
Vitiate needed the help of thousands of other Sith Lords to drain a populace, after a lengthy ritual.
His Force TK ability is far weaker than Nihilus as well.
And last I checked, Vitiate couldn't tank the destruction of a world.
- Vitiate is far weaker than Nihilus.
Originally posted by Rookwood
Nihilus: -[B]Drain:
Killing entire Planets full of people in seconds, with a single utterance.Telekinesis: Ripping a gigantic Warship out of the grasp of a Planetary Gravity-Well.
Force Durability: Tanking a blast that ripped a Planet into pieces.
And where does Vitiate stack in relation to this?
Vitiate needed the help of thousands of other Sith Lords to drain a populace, after a lengthy ritual.
His Force TK ability is far weaker than Nihilus as well.
And last I checked, Vitiate couldn't tank the destruction of a world.
- Vitiate is far weaker than Nihilus. [/B]
Vitiate needs no help from anybody. He mindrapes anybody he wants, and what he did was far more impressive than what Nihilus did. There's nothing Nihilus can do to him.
Originally posted by Dolos
He didn't "tank" Malachor's destruction, he survived it along with thousands of others.
There were disabled ships around the planet.
- And, the Mass Shadow Generator cracked the planet into pieces - no Human could survive the type of force needed to rip a planet apart.
If the Earth experienced forces powerful enough to rip it into two or three floating pieces - no living thing standing on the surface would survive.
Nihilus survived because of what he turned into, and there were disabled ships around the planet, with survivors, that weren't killed when the planet was ripped apart, because they were in orbit, in ships.
He did tank Malachors's destruction and he was only one to do so.
Keep in mind he did take several functioning ships with him, when he left the dead world - and those ships had survivors in them, before he drained some of them.
Originally posted by Dolos
That is not a feat.
He was the only survivor on the planet.
Originally posted by jadams3928
Vitiate needs no help from anybody. He mindrapes anybody he wants, and what he did was far more impressive than what Nihilus did. There's nothing Nihilus can do to him.
Incorrect.
The only thing immune from Nihilus's drain, Canonically, is a Force Wound.
So Vitiate dies. 🙂