Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
You're right, and that wasn't a full powered AM to begin with either.The SS did beat both T&A at once though, although there was some plot device involved.
Galactus' armor was wrecked and smoldering, while Teneberous looked just fine. No way is any version of SBP beating that. GA SBP wouldn't even be able to hang for long. He'd be depleted and then crushed by T or A.
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SBP is anywhere from low trans to high trans depending on versions, he's out of his league here. T and A are in the "Galactus and Celestial" level Tier.
Originally posted by carver9
Tenebrous was a brute that enjoyed going fist cuff.
That would be his doom, actually. The best way to deal with Prime would be temporarily getting rid of him by BFR, but if Tenebrous goes physical, Prime would actually be on his game.
Keep in mind that Prime went through anti-matter unaffected, the same kind of thing that vaporized Thanos in an instant. The same Thanos that sent Galactus flying and managed to hold his own against Tyrant. People often underestimate how absurdly powerful SPB is.
How does a low showing of Thanos' durability, a high showing of his energy projection ability, a low showing of Galactus' (oftentimes fluctuating) durability and a fight where Thanos was losing to a possibly high trans to low skyfather convert to SBP having a chance vs a high elder hod-low abstract?
Originally posted by NibedicusIt doesn't.
How does a low showing of Thanos' durability, a high showing of his energy projection ability, a low showing of Galactus' (oftentimes fluctuating) durability and a fight where Thanos was losing to a possibly high trans to low skyfather convert to SBP having a chance vs a high elder hod-low abstract?
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Don't even know how this thread is still open.
Its because of ODG.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
How does a low showing of Thanos' durability, a high showing of his energy projection ability, a low showing of Galactus' (oftentimes fluctuating) durability and a fight where Thanos was losing to a possibly high trans to low skyfather convert to SBP having a chance vs a high elder hod-low abstract?
I'm not actually saying it's proof, but discussing in terms of low/high showings to dismiss it just proves that there are some arbitrary notions at work. There are guys who claim that Depowered Tyrant can beat Galactus on his own, personally I think they are on drugs, but that simple notion allows to simply bend how impressive Tenebrous and Aegis actually were. If Tyrant can be misread as impressive, T&A can also be misread as impressive.
We assume they were Elder God level, but they got punked by Surfer... Easily. There was a plot device in the story, but you expect Surfer to beat Skyfathers and low Elder Gods through plot devices, not abstracts. If Surfer punked Odin with a plot device and then he ended up almost dying, I could conceive it. If he did it to Galactus we would talk about a piss low showing. So I don't adhere to T&A be on Galan's level, because there is simply not enough proof. Why is being beaten by Tyrant or hurt by Thanos a low showing for Big G but his defeat against T&A is entirely fair? Let's remember when Galactus faced Scryer and the Other, or against the Galactus Engine to see the level of Galactus actual battle prowess. Even Uatu has vastly better showings than T&A, and there was even a Watcher among the Proemial Gods...
But I'll readily admit that the comparision passing by Tyrant/Galactus/Thanos is pretty streched out. I'm pretty much just mentioning it because they are cosmic characters and they've faced Surfer.
Originally posted by Bentley
That would be his doom, actually. The best way to deal with Prime would be temporarily getting rid of him by BFR, but if Tenebrous goes physical, Prime would actually be on his game.Keep in mind that Prime went through anti-matter unaffected, the same kind of thing that vaporized Thanos in an instant. The same Thanos that sent Galactus flying and managed to hold his own against Tyrant. People often underestimate how absurdly powerful SPB is.
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Originally posted by Bentley
Its because of ODG.I'm not actually saying it's proof, but discussing in terms of low/high showings to dismiss it just proves that there are some arbitrary notions at work. There are guys who claim that Depowered Tyrant can beat Galactus on his own, personally I think they are on drugs, but that simple notion allows to simply bend how impressive Tenebrous and Aegis actually were. If Tyrant can be misread as impressive, T&A can also be misread as impressive.
We assume they were Elder God level, but they got punked by Surfer... Easily. There was a plot device in the story, but you expect Surfer to beat Skyfathers and low Elder Gods through plot devices, not abstracts. If Surfer punked Odin with a plot device and then he ended up almost dying, I could conceive it. If he did it to Galactus we would talk about a piss low showing. So I don't adhere to T&A be on Galan's level, because there is simply not enough proof. Why is being beaten by Tyrant or hurt by Thanos a low showing for Big G but his defeat against T&A is entirely fair? Let's remember when Galactus faced Scryer and the Other, or against the Galactus Engine to see the level of Galactus actual battle prowess. Even Uatu has vastly better showings than T&A, and there was even a Watcher among the Proemial Gods...
But I'll readily admit that the comparision passing by Tyrant/Galactus/Thanos is pretty streched out. I'm pretty much just mentioning it because they are cosmic characters and they've faced Surfer.
That's just horrible logic mixed with flat-out lies. Wow.
Originally posted by Bentley
Prime busts open Tenebrous and uses its internal energies to destroy both.Classic Prime.
Who's bones are those in the scan? Always thought it was a Guardians but now I don't think so. Is it a GL? Which one?
Prime gets murdered. Surfer was shattered fighting these two and at no point did he harm them.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingCyborg Superman.
Who's bones are those in the scan? Always thought it was a Guardians but now I don't think so. Is it a GL? Which one?Prime gets murdered. Surfer was shattered fighting these two and at no point did he harm them.
Because I'm pretty sure the writer's didn't factor in anti-matter in his body.
Also lol at Carvley.
Originally posted by Bentley
Its because of ODG.I'm not actually saying it's proof, but discussing in terms of low/high showings to dismiss it just proves that there are some arbitrary notions at work. There are guys who claim that Depowered Tyrant can beat Galactus on his own, personally I think they are on drugs, but that simple notion allows to simply bend how impressive Tenebrous and Aegis actually were. If Tyrant can be misread as impressive, T&A can also be misread as impressive.
We assume they were Elder God level, but they got punked by Surfer... Easily. There was a plot device in the story, but you expect Surfer to beat Skyfathers and low Elder Gods through plot devices, not abstracts. If Surfer punked Odin with a plot device and then he ended up almost dying, I could conceive it. If he did it to Galactus we would talk about a piss low showing. So I don't adhere to T&A be on Galan's level, because there is simply not enough proof. Why is being beaten by Tyrant or hurt by Thanos a low showing for Big G but his defeat against T&A is entirely fair? Let's remember when Galactus faced Scryer and the Other, or against the Galactus Engine to see the level of Galactus actual battle prowess. Even Uatu has vastly better showings than T&A, and there was even a Watcher among the Proemial Gods...
But I'll readily admit that the comparision passing by Tyrant/Galactus/Thanos is pretty streched out. I'm pretty much just mentioning it because they are cosmic characters and they've faced Surfer.
- Thanos' force was wrecked and he was nearly killed by Galactus.
Tenebrous took Galactus attack and returned the favor. Galactus looked worse in that exchange.
- Prime flew through Anti-Matter
Surfer flew through the Crunch, energy that would have consumed Galactus and the Proemial Gods
Thanos still stomp Surfer.
- Surfer beat the Proemial Gods using the Crunch plot device.
Surfer couldn't harm either until that point. He was a nuisance that was getting blasted apart literally.
Prime would get wreck by either of these two.
