Voldemort vs. Albus Dumbledore

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
We've already seen that its a matter of skill. While the wand is definitely a good thing to have as it is the most power wand in history, it is not a trump card nor an excuse for Voldemrort's inferior dealing skill. Now granted a full on deal between these two would take hours to complete, but if they're fight in OotP is any indication, Voldemort would have met a brick wall, never once coming close to killing Dumbledore, while Dumbledore almost drowned him, and given that there is no harry now, the likelihood Voldemort breaks free has lessened.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you admit it is an advantage. Dumbledore being unable to beat him despite you claiming he has the skill edge and the most powerful wand makes no sense. Voldemort according to you held no advantage nor was he defeated making your position utterly silly.

I said it's a nice thing to have but not a trump card. A bout between two wizards of equal or near equal strength has never been decided because one had the elder wand, quite the opposite actually. Again, I don't see the Elder Wand as a point of interest. While it's nice to have, Dumbledore beat Grindlewald who had the elder wand, but it took him three hours and that was with the intent to take him down. Dumbledore, at least in pure harry potter lore, believed that Harry had to be the person to beat Voldemort so he did not go in with the expressed intent of killing Voldemort, but holding him off until the aurors got back. So in summary, neither one of them would have beaten the other in the time frame they had. Now if they had 3-5 hours, sure Dumbledore would win.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I said it's a nice thing to have but not a trump card. A bout between two wizards of equal or near equal strength has never been decided because one had the elder wand, quite the opposite actually. Again, I don't see the Elder Wand as a point of interest. While it's nice to have, Dumbledore beat Grindlewald who had the elder wand, but it took him three hours and that was with the intent to take him down. Dumbledore, at least in pure harry potter lore, believed that Harry had to be the person to beat Voldemort so he did not go in with the expressed intent of killing Voldemort, but holding him off until the aurors got back. So in summary, neither one of them would have beaten the other in the time frame they had. Now if they had 3-5 hours, sure Dumbledore would win.

Conjecture.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dumbledore had greater skill than gellert despite the disadvantage but that is not the same against Voldemort.

Conjecture.

You are correct. Your belief that Voldemort would beat Dumbledore is conjecture.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
You are correct. Your belief that Voldemort would beat Dumbledore is conjecture.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Minemakes more sense. Your guy had the most powerful wand in existence yet failed.

Your belief is just that belief. It's no fact. Parroting "He had the most powerful wand" doesn't help you much when I can easily refute it with the Grindlewald and Dumbledore example. Then after that you fail to prove how Voldemort is more skillful.

Just to put a point out there. You're aware that the duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald lasted for 3 hours right? Imagine how long Dumbledore vs Voldemort would last. Neither one is winning in that short time frame they had.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Your belief is just that belief. It's no fact. Parroting "He had the most powerful wand" doesn't help you much when I can easily refute it with the Grindlewald and Dumbledore example. Then after that you fail to prove how Voldemort is more skillful.

Just to put a point out there. You're aware that the duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald lasted for 3 hours right? Imagine how long Dumbledore vs Voldemort would last. Neither one is winning in that short time frame they had.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It is still the most powerful wand only further prizes Albus was better than Grindelwald without it. With it despite his skill he was unable to best Voldemort. No two fights are the same. Who cares?

So by your own logic, Voldemort not beating Dumbledore is a failure on Voldemort's part in more ways than one. Dumbledore, who we agree is more skilled than Grindelwald, beat Grindelwald who had the elder wand. So by your claim, which is false to begin with, but with your claim of Voldemort being more skilled, he should have won, yet didn't, and he was fighting to kill. Dumbledore was not.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
So by your own logic, Voldemort not beating Dumbledore is a failure on Voldemort's part in more ways than one. Dumbledore, who we agree is more skilled than Grindelwald, beat Grindelwald who had the elder wand. So by your claim, which is false to begin with, but with your claim of Voldemort being more skilled, he should have won, yet didn't, and he was fighting to kill. Dumbledore was not.

Grindelwald is not the most powerful dark wizard of all time so who cares that he beat the second place finisher. It has no bearing on this matchup.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, because help was arriving and he was not there for the purpose of killing him initially. Dumbledore was defending himself attempted to kill Voldemort multiple times by fire and water.

Grindelwald is not the most powerful dark wizard of all time so who cares that he beat the second place finisher. It has no bearing on this matchup.

Ha so you admit it is a matter of time and either would have needed a good amount of time to defeat the other. Voldemort was very much trying to kill dumbledore lol. Dumbledore was more so trying to defend which he did pretty successfully.

Irrelevant. Given that all three are of similar power levels they can be used to compare to one another. If Voldemort was so powerful he wouldn't have been so scared of dumbledore, and if he was so powerful like you say he would have won sooner. He had time. Just concede that both needed hours to do it. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Ha so you admit it is a matter of time and either would have needed a good amount of time to defeat the other. Voldemort was very much trying to kill dumbledore lol. Dumbledore was more so trying to defend which he did pretty successfully.

Irrelevant. Given that all three are of similar power levels they can be used to compare to one another. If Voldemort was so powerful he wouldn't have been so scared of dumbledore, and if he was so powerful like you say he would have won sooner. He had time. Just concede that both needed hours to do it. It's nothing to be ashamed of.

He feared his rival. That keeps you alive. If you had no fear you might be caught off guard. Him fighting Albus proves his courage according to you.

Albus had the most powerful wand in existence which was an advantage for him. Voldemort still looked better since he dictated the fight.