LotF Luke -vs- Dooku, DoE Bane and RotS Sidious

LotF Luke.

Dooku and Sidious, from their RotS incarnations - Dynasty of Evil Peak Bane.

The three Sith Lords battle against Luke, within the confines of Luke's Jedi Praxeum on Yavin IV.

Strict-Lightsaber duel - no offense powers used

Defensive; passive powers are allowed, such as Speed, TK (applied during movement) Precog, etc.

No Mindrape, offensive-TK or Sith/Emerald lightning, etc. You get the idea.

It is Dooku, Sidious and Bane against Luke - to the death.

Can Luke survive, or does the Sith team come out victorious?

I think if Luke is serious, and tries to knock Dooku and Sidious off as quickly as possible; he might have a good chance against Bane, when he's by himself.

^ Good point, but it will be incredibly difficult.
also, I'd say RotS Sids > DoE Bane, in every way 😎

But seriously, I'm not sure if anyone can take this team down. Spite.

LotF Luke moves far faster than both Dooku and Sidious.

The only real challenge should be Bane.

This team can beat Luke imo.

RotS movie versions are heavily watered down compared to the books though. Iirc Luke and Jacen were fighting so fast even other Master level Jedi couldn't keep up with the fight. They only could guess what was going on because of the flashes of their sabers.

When was this? Their duel was in private and the only time I recall them fighting together was when they were using a Battle Meld.

Legacy of the Force right? I'm pretty sure they fought at one point and no one could keep up with what was going on.

I believe this was after Mara had gotten killed and Luke found out Jacen did it. They battled it out and both of them got banged up pretty bad. I believe the narration even mentioned they were beyond dueling, they were brawling at this point, throwing elbows and knees and everything else.

Finding the specific mention through nine books would be a monumental pain in the ass though.

They dueled in a private torture chamber with only Ben looking on. They only fought once too.

Originally posted by KingD19
LotF Luke moves far faster than both Dooku and Sidious.

The only real challenge should be Bane.

Also, I'd question Bane's dueling speed as being above RotS Sids for that matter.
His rain feat is the uberest, but he has never (to my knowledge) displayed such an astonishing speed in an actual duel. In DoE Zannah matched him, as I am told.

Still, Bane is amazingly fast, but not beyond what Palps or perhaps even Dooku can perform.

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Originally posted by KingD19
LotF Luke moves far faster than both Dooku and Sidious.

The only real challenge should be Bane.

Are you implying that Bane is vastly superior than RotS Sidious?

Anyway, team takes this.

Something already been explored: Bane likely gave Zannah chances to kill him, comparatively to his other opponents.

Another thing already been explored before: I believe there's been a few threads and discussions around here, where it's been highlighted that DoE Bane is superior to RotS Sidious - and quite possibly DE Sidious as well.

Again, the reason 90% of Debators understand that Bane's rain-feat makes him superior to Sidious, is because:

A: The speed, dexterity, reflex and agility needed to successfully dodge and block every raindrop in a pouring storm for ten minutes is monumental and ridiculous.

B: Both Dooku and Sidious (RotS and DE) have not been demonstrated to move with such speed and reflex.

So yeah, other than a few people around here, I was under the impression most people understood Bane was superior to Sidious.

Add to the fact that his other destructive abilities are, at least on par, with Sidious's anyway (other than his later DE Force Storm one, which is irrelevant, because it's ambiguous as to whether he can deploy it in close quarters and quickly, as well.)

Which, yes, does make Bane superior, at least significantly.

A few speed feats from ROT:

'Two of the assassins were stopped in their tracks, knocked to the ground as if they had run into an invisible wall. Two more, weaker and less able to defend themselves against Bane's power, were sent flying backward. Only the fifth was strong enough to resist the Sith Lord's throw and continue his charge.

However, without his brethren at his side to harry and distract his foe, he found himself the sole focus of Bane's wrath. Unable to defend against the savage sequence of lightsaber cuts and thrusts, he fell in a matter of seconds, half a dozen fatal wounds scored across his chest and face.'

Fatally wounding an opponent half a dozen times in a few seconds.

'She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault.'

Seeming to wield a dozen lightsabers at once.

'She seemed to be everywhere at once-in front of Bane, beside him, behind him, circling low, leaping to come in high, deflecting his blade with one of her own then stabbing three quick times in succession at his eyes. The big man's head ducked and bobbed, twisting and turning to avoid her blows as he tried to mount a counteroffensive.'

Defending against and reacting to an opponent who's so fast she seems to be at least 3 places at once.

Bane has some pretty great speed feats.

Originally posted by Rookwood
Another thing already been explored before: I believe there's been a few threads and discussions around here, where it's been highlighted that DoE Bane is superior to RotS Sidious - and quite possibly DE Sidious as well.

Originally posted by Rookwood
So yeah, other than a few people around here, I was under the impression most people understood Bane was superior to Sidious.

This is another textbook argument by consensus/appeal to the majority, patently fallacious reasoning.

There was a time here when the ancient Sith were touted as unquestionably supreme, when Nihilus was fodder for any respectable fighter, and when Bandon was leagues above Obi-Wan.

This fallacy and your reliance on it has been criticized by myself and Nephthys separately on multiple occasions and it doesn't change now.

The conclusion may be right (it isn't) but the basis for your support of it is hopelessly flawed.

This is another textbook argument by consensus/appeal to the majority, patently fallacious reasoning.

lol

Originally posted by The_Tempest
This is another textbook argument by consensus/appeal to the majority, patently fallacious reasoning.

There was a time here when the ancient Sith were touted as unquestionably supreme, when Nihilus was fodder for any respectable fighter, and when Bandon was leagues above Obi-Wan.

This fallacy and your reliance on it has been criticized by myself and Nephthys separately on multiple occasions and it doesn't change now.

The conclusion may be right (it isn't) but the basis for your support of it is hopelessly flawed.

Well, regardless of whether many others agree with the viewpoint or not, it has logical merit.

As well as after a time, we came to find that:

1. The ancient Sith at the time were primarily unknowns, and some based their apparent power of off the use of talismans and rituals - not necessarily applicable in conventional combat.

2. Darth Nihilus, while an unknown in lightsaber-combat, held a power great enough to kill virtually any Force user, other than the Exile, (amongst other gargantuan abilities we realized he had) thereby turning the tables in the situation and making practically any Sith Lord, fodder for Nihilus.

3. People apparently built on the Badon part, though. 😛

- But yeah, I'm not trying to say my point is right, just because many people may agree with it.

I know my point is correct, because it flows in accordance with Canon. And previous threads which put these theories to the test, were shown through and in accordance with other people, to be true.

Rookwood
Well, regardless of whether many others agree with the viewpoint or not, it has logical merit.

That may or may not be true. But citing the consensus of others has zero "logical merit."

Rookwood
But yeah, I'm not trying to say my point is right, just because many people may agree with it.

It's the only reason you've bothered to provide.

Rookwood
I know my point is correct, because it flows in accordance with Canon.

About Bane vis a vis Sidious? Actually, it doesn't. Every single source on the matter attributes greater power to the latter over the former.

Rookwood
And previous threads which put these theories to the test, were shown through and in accordance with other people, to be true.

And we're back to the fallacy. What other people said on the subject is completely irrelevant.

I cannot see anyone, even Luke offing someone like Dooku when he has teammates like Bane and Sidious supporting him. Also Sidious is> even DOE Bane imo.