Shaman Nate Grey VS Worldbreaker Hulk

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah, my phone went on the fritz, hence the multiple posts.

No, its him using it in battle, I had loads of others, but they were him phasing through walls and walking casually, so I thought you might quibble and say he had to concentrate hard or something. Also, its Shaman Nate Grey in those scans, and its a very recent showing, I didn't want to rely on 20 or 30 year old scans witha weaker Nate (though I HAVE used some).

Here are others:
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/6900/theuncannyxmen33515.jpg
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/5460/xman047page11image0001.jpg

Well, you get the picture. There are other scans out there too.

He even explains with Ares -'But you. You are a War God. I have nothing to counteract you.'

Dark X-men #3. But you may as well read #1 and #2.

Possibly. Odin and Galactus. Moira McTaggart and Prof X have noted his potential (as a weaker, pre-Shaman upgrade) was on par with Dark Phoenix:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/795/cb29pg10.jpg
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3338/cb29pg11.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2048/cb29pg13.jpg

True. But if you have superspeed reflexes (so being able to react to a speedster like Northstar and Aurora, for example), and your mutant power was acid vomit or whatever, which you have trained to use...I would say your odds of reacting to me by vomiting in my face are pretty good. Kinda like Cyclops and his visor.

Read Dark X-men. Psychosomatically, he could pluck a happy memory from Hulk, and make his body react to this memory, removing his anger.

Or he could time-stop. Immobilising Hulk FTW.

Or he could time-travel (which he does when in Planck length), and change aspects of Hulk's history

Or he could BFR Hulk into space (yes, I know you said barring BFR)

Or BFR Hulk across dimensions etc.

Nate has full knowledge of Hulk, as he was told everything about WWH when he came back. He can see energy, and see everything about a person's past and future, so will know what he is capable of.

Seriously, read Dark X-men, and then come back to us.

Edit: Just read your message in the Odin WBH thread.

Here's Nate stopping time:

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9528/cable03009.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/413/cable03011.jpg

Ok I will read it. But the scan you showed shows Nate not stopping time but rather the things in the surrounding area by telekinesis. Meaning, he is stopping the objects by telekinesis and not time itself. WBH would be too powerful for him to stop. So this tactic wouldn't work. Nate's best bet is too bfr Hulk wtf.

Just saw this......

Someone please close this shitfest

How is going into Planck length self BFR????

Answer me that.

Carver, you need to check up on what BFR is, then read what going into Planck length is. Then ask yourself what Hulk can do when Nate is there.

H1, do your homework.

Originally posted by carver9
How is Nate getting close to WBH with that energy pouring off of him? Hulk has hit intangible beings. If he goes into plank time, that's bfring himself.

What? No he isn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
What? No he isn't.

He's not bfring himself.

I believe he is referring to this

Originally posted by carver9
If he goes into plank time, that's bfring himself.

Edit: Looks like I need to post a little faster.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He's not bfring himself.

Carver.

Originally posted by h1a8

Ok I will read it. But the scan you showed shows Nate not stopping time but rather the things in the surrounding area by telekinesis. Meaning, he is stopping the objects by telekinesis and not time itself. WBH would be too powerful for him to stop. So this tactic wouldn't work. Nate's best bet is too bfr Hulk wtf.

Originally posted by carver9
How is Nate getting close to WBH with that energy pouring off of him? Hulk has hit intangible beings. If he goes into plank time, that's bfring himself.

Nate is more than just merely intangible, he's actually in a higher plane of existence. Typical intags manipulate their molecules, in this scenario Nate doesn't really have any given that he converted his body from matter to pure psionic energy. Also planck length is not BFR

Originally posted by TheHulk
lol which dumbass started this ''Stomping time is BFRing yourself''? it's either H1 or Quan....

But traveling through time is not self BFR but traveling through time and space is self BFR. For example, if a character is on the battlefield and he/she travels 1 day in the past then they are still on the battlefield (just 1 day earlier). But if they leave and go mingle with the other character's life (like kill them before they gained powers) then it is self BFR.

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[b]It's actually more of a telekinetic hold on time, given how exotic his abilities are. [/B]

Originally posted by h1a8
[B]I'm ashamed you would include me as a suspect. I'm not dumb at all. 🙁 [/b[

Yeah, for people who thought it, it was carver, NOT h1a8.

But traveling through time is not self BFR but traveling through time and space is self BFR. For example, if a character is on the battlefield and he/she travels 1 day in the past then they are still on the battlefield (just 1 day earlier). But if they leave and go mingle with the other character's life (like kill them before they gained powers) then it is self BFR.

What if they are in a strange place where they are still on the battlefield, and still temporally present, but can still affect someone else's life? That is what Nate can do - but I don't want to colour your judgement (not that I can, I suspect). I will let you read the issue in question, and see for yourself how weird Nate's Planck length power is.

h1a8, stopping time is not traveling through time, though.

Originally posted by Mindset
h1a8, stopping time is not traveling through time, though.

I know. I was referring to Darksaint when he mentioned that Nate can travel through time and kill Hulk in the past (before he became Hulk). I wasn't referring to the time stopping at all.

I addressed the time stopping as not really time stopping but rather tk stopping of objects in his surrounding area (not the universe). So Nate can't time stop.

Oh, why did you quote and reply to a post about stopping time?

Also, he wouldn't need to stop time throughout the universe for it to be considering stopping time...

Originally posted by Mindset
Oh, why did you quote and reply to a post about stopping time?

Also, he wouldn't need to stop time throughout the universe for it to be considering stopping time...

Your last statement is unfortunately TRUE. 🙂

I'll defend you.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'll defend you.

Thank you very much!

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