Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor's whirlwinds and other weather based powers have affected, controlled, and harmed power far beyond Hulk's. It was one of his whirlwind force fields that contained the Null Bomb (Capable of wiping out 1/4th of the known Universe) from Lady Death fyi.Even a basic attack like lightning or a hammer throw has illustrated power and affected beings far beyond even World Breaker's scrope. It's a bit unfair if we're using Hulk at his best and limiting Thor to the level he operates on the average Avenger's team or something.
This is one of the mentalities that confused me. It is insisted upon that World Breaker Hulk is far stronger than Thor at this level, but at the same time, apparently Thor is going to be approaching this fight like he's fighting the Savage Hulk or something. This logic never jived with me.
If Thor knows the power level Hulk is operating at, why wouldn't a gamma drain be a valid tactic? Hulk's not just noticeably stronger apparently, but strong enough to easily kill his comrades and probably would.
Why does Thor need to take Hulk's attack, or any of them to the chin? Mjolnir provides some of the best defensive capabilities in all of comics.
If we're going to insist on Hulk being some overwhelming power here, I'm going to insist on Thor approaching him as he would a Trans, not a Herald. And I'm certainly going to be using his best feats, that's only fair.
Well first I create a distinction between a vortex of some sort and actual whirlwinds. Just cause he span his hammer in a circle does not make me think it's actual wind being used. And it was the actual wind that I was referring to. Similarly in character, and against hulk on top of it, Thor is not gonna be encasing hulk in a superhigh end spatial vortex and having that be the end of it. Moreover, even when fighting trans levelers like Mangog and the destroyer Thor has still attempted to mix it up physically albeit while adding in some other attacks. It wont take more than one hit to kill Thor and while hulk may be green and glowy, that will hardly turn thor into some fleeing coward that knows its best stay at least one planet away from WBh to avoid annihilation ( the battlefield won't even allow that anyhow). The odds of Thor not getting hit at least once in this fight are extremely low given how he has fought not only hulk but other similar beings in the past
THere is no doubt that Thors upper level attacks can hurt WBh but quite frankly, in character, he won't bust those out until it is too late, and even then WBh would put him down much easier. He doesn't even really need to land an attack on him to put him out of commission or at least hurt him significantly. Also just because it is WBh in this thread does not mean one gets utilize the very seldomly seen highest end Thor possible. WBh as he is being used is representative of his typical power level not super high end outlier portrayals. Just because that happens to be far higher than Thors typical level does not justify highballing Thor to attempt to even things out. That would be like using only Surfers feats of battling skyfathers and higher to suggest he has a shot against Odin.
Thor has directly drained the i energy out of what maybe 3 or 4 opponents in his history? None of whom where physical brawlers like the hulk and none of whom had the unique history that Thor has with the hulk which predisposes him to fighting up close and personal. I mean to use another example, against even rulk who was beating the hell of Thor he didn't think it necessary to resort to such a tactic ( it was rather Rulk that apparently drained him.lol) and in his over dozen fights with hulk, it hasnt once crossed his mind. It's definitely far fetched to think he would then immediately do so here...
Even when fighting trans level brawlers, Thor has still mixed it up and gotten physical and combining that with his unique history with hulk, Id say it's clear that undoubtedly do so to some extent here. That would lead to his disintegration/decapitation/both. The rest of his team is mostly fodder and would get similarly wiped out.
Originally posted by Damborgson
I think you're slightly off Darkone. When the Thor Corp memebers got down they bolstered the walls that held the multiverse together. Thor had been doing stuff like shattering reality by himself back in the day.
I was referring to Thor and BRB teaming up for the first time in the burning galaxy. I know Thr has done it by himself, I was saying with multiple mojlner is just too much to overcome,regarledss this WB Hulk or not!!
Originally posted by Naija boy
With a fan controlled surfer i would take it to Odin.lolBFR is off though. Moreover I don't see Thors whirlwind as having any effect on WBh. Certainly not forcefully moving against his will when he is braced or restricting his movement when he is actually trying to move.
Since BFR is turned off then yeah the easiest way for Thor to win would be via draining....but he is certainly not Likely to go that route before mixing it up and getting in range of a thunderclap or the shockwave from a WBh attack ( which can be > planet wide and hence across the whole battlefield). Heck against hulk he is Not likely to go that route at all . if he survives the shockwave( which save his highest end feats is being generous) he won't be in any shape to continue putting up serious resistance. And heaven help him if WBh actually
lands punch.. 😛.
Would it be BFR to neutralize him on the battlefield? He would be infront of them just contained. I think it's cheap but not BFR.
What could be do to prevent it though? Wind isn't really something he could fight. It would just pick him up. And Thor's whirlwinds have damaged stronger beings no doubt. He wouldn't have to damage him in this case though.
He has done the immediate drain when he comrades were in danger before though. When Kang glowed with radiatrtion, he drained him to stop him from killing Cap and the others. When he sees that this Hulk is doing the same thing, I don't see it all unlikely that he'd try the same tactic. If he DID mix it up in melee and Hulk lands a hit, Thor's typical (jobbing aside) durability would still leave him to damaged to really continue the fight. He has the tools to make sure that doesn't happen though and while prideful no doubt, he's not stupid.
If you ever feel like doing a Thor vs Surfer CIS off fan controlled BZ I'd be down. 🙂 It sounds like it'd be fun and we could put them basically at skyfather level lol.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Would it be BFR to neutralize him on the battlefield? He would be infront of them just contained. I think it's cheap but not BFR.What could be do to prevent it though? Wind isn't really something he could fight. It would just pick him up. And Thor's whirlwinds have damaged stronger beings no doubt. He wouldn't have to damage him in this case though.
He has done the immediate drain when he comrades were in danger before though. When Kang glowed with radiatrtion, he drained him to stop him from killing Cap and the others. When he sees that this Hulk is doing the same thing, I don't see it all unlikely that he'd try the same tactic. If he DID mix it up in melee and Hulk lands a hit, Thor's typical (jobbing aside) durability would still leave him to damaged to really continue the fight. He has the tools to make sure that doesn't happen though and while prideful no doubt, he's not stupid.
If you ever feel like doing a Thor vs Surfer CIS off fan controlled BZ I'd be down. 🙂 It sounds like it'd be fun and we could put them basically at skyfather level lol.
Well if Thor would ever do that (with the super high end vortex) then it would be hella cheap but i guess not BFR. Still I cant even see him doing it 1 out of 10 times in character.
Also in comics movement by external forces can almost always be resisted if the character is strong enough and bracing themselves regardless of how much they weigh. The Hulk for one has even used pure strength to change direction in mid air. This version wont be getting blown anywhere by wind if he doesnt want to move.
Also, in the case of the drain to protect his comrades, IIRC he drained the energy kang was emitting and blasted it back at him. A valid somewhat more likely tactic, but not one that would necessarilly weaken WBH nor stop him from being able to one shot kill everyone in the opposing team. Thor has never seen it fit to drain hulks internal energy despite hulk being one of his most common opponents with over a dozen fights. This applies even during the times Hulk was in a rampage and actively threatening not only Thors comrades but human life as well....Hence it really is not something thor would do based on his history in general and especially against the Hulk (in which his CIS handicap typically becomes even worse). His entire history against, superstrong bricks, and Hulk specifically points to him mixing it up for a time. In this fight however, by the time Thor finds out the distinction between being prideful and stupid, (WBH's first attack) his head would have left his shoulders (or hed be conversely disintegrated.lol)
As for the BZ idea, yeah that would be fun (particularly fun seeing how you would get around surfers overwhelming speed advantage 😛 )
Originally posted by Naija boy
Well if Thor would ever do that (with the super high end vortex) then it would be hella cheap but i guess not BFR. Still I cant even see him doing it 1 out of 10 times in character.Also in comics movement by external forces can almost always be resisted if the character is strong enough and bracing themselves regardless of how much they weigh. The Hulk for one has even used pure strength to change direction in mid air. This version wont be getting blown anywhere by wind if he doesnt want to move.
Also, in the case of the drain to protect his comrades, IIRC he drained the energy kang was emitting and blasted it back at him. A valid somewhat more likely tactic, but not one that would necessarilly weaken WBH nor stop him from being able to one shot kill everyone in the opposing team. Thor has never seen it fit to drain hulks internal energy despite hulk being one of his most common opponents with over a dozen fights. This applies even during the times Hulk was in a rampage and actively threatening not only Thors comrades but human life as well....Hence it really is not something thor would do based on his history in general and especially against the Hulk (in which his CIS handicap typically becomes even worse). His entire history against, superstrong bricks, and Hulk specifically points to him mixing it up for a time. In this fight however, by the time Thor finds out the distinction between being prideful and stupid, (WBH's first attack) his head would have left his shoulders (or hed be conversely disintegrated.lol)
As for the BZ idea, yeah that would be fun (particularly fun seeing how you would get around surfers overwhelming speed advantage 😛 )
Cheap but effective 😎
Definitely not by natural wind. But magic laced wind? His wind has hurt Glory and it's hard to see the Hulk resisting something that can uproot the ground beneath him. How would he hold on or brace against that? Yes Hulk has changed direction in midair via thunderclaps before (lol), but under no special circumstances iirc. These would indeed be special circumstances.
He converted that blast to magic from the looks of it also, making it a potent blast that can and should rough the Hulk up.
He's never really had the oppurtunity to drain him tbh. He tends to go for auras like Kang, presence, Electro, etc.
I suppose he could if wanted to, but then that would be going into things he's never tried. He can and has drained radiation however, and the upperlimits of Mjolnir's ability to absorb energy are around galaxy busting. He could very well drain until Hulk reverts to a weaker form. Either creating an opening for his teammate or for himself. Or just turn him to Banner. Once Thor's started draining even once his opponents aura is gone he can still keep going. And he has much better draining capabilities than Armageddon does. Mjolnir ftw.
The Hulk's never really been a threat like he is here though. I've pretty well looked at every fight they've ever had and in almost all of them, Thor's been able to simply melee with he Hulk to a standstill. Thor being => Savage Hulk in strength at the beginning of the fight being the reason more likely than not. This is not the case here. There is no doubt at all that if someone is going down last, It's Thor. And his durability is known to be legendary for a reason. He has damage soak feats that basically shit on anyone in his league and puts him at a higher level. (Recent jobbings excluded.) I'm not even talking about Celestial blasts, or Galactus or anything. While it'd be definitely in his best interest not to be struck, the chances of his head being popped off are pretty low. Not with one hit anyway.
And again this should take care of things pretty nicely:
Originally posted by Damborgson
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/ThorChaos.jpg?t=1296340368
I'd like to see how you get past Thor's overwhelming hammer to face advantage.
heh.
Aight, then if you're down I definitely am. I'll PM you a bit later.
Originally posted by DamborgsonI'd like to see how you get past Thor's overwhelming hammer to face advantage.
heh.Aight, then if you're down I definitely am. I'll PM you a bit later.
Originally posted by Damborgson
All he did was startle an abstract guys. No biggy. It's not like CK wasn't noticing galactus while he broke entire pantheons or anything.Good thing you picked up on me trying to say that Thor had Ck on the ropes or something...wait.
It proves nothing.
Thor, his Father, his entire race, all the pantheons in Creation throughout the universe are nothing to CK.
So yeah. That scene is meaningless.
Originally posted by zopzop
Some grown men are startled by insects that absolutely pose NO THREAT to them (and can't even harm them) if they are distracted doing something else and said insect falls on them or brushes against them somehow.It proves nothing.
Thor, his Father, his entire race, all the pantheons in Creation throughout the universe are nothing to CK.
So yeah. That scene is meaningless.
You just compared a human with human fears to CK. How does that make you feel?
It proves Thor had a good feat.
Yet Thor managed to do more than Galactus and the others attacking could. It's consistent with Thor's history.
Not really. I don't really care if you can't deal with a high herald doing work, but he did.
Originally posted by Damborgson
You just compared a human with human fears to CK. How does that make you feel?It proves Thor had a good feat.
Yet Thor managed to do more than Galactus and the others attacking could. It's consistent with Thor's history.
Not really. I don't really care if you can't deal with a high herald doing work, but he did.
My example is perfectly valid. Being startled by something harmless while your attention is focused on something else isn't impressive at all.
At the end of the day, Thor is still a powerless insect that CK could have crushed effortlessly if SG Herc wasn't there. If you think he could have done ANYTHING to CK, I feel sorry for you.
Originally posted by zopzop
It was a meaningless feat. It just startled CK who was busy fighting Super God Herc (the person with enough power to restore 98.75% of the multiverse).My example is perfectly valid. Being startled by something harmless while your attention is focused on something else isn't impressive at all.
At the end of the day, Thor is still a powerless insect that CK could have crushed effortlessly if SG Herc wasn't there. If you think he could have done ANYTHING to CK, I feel sorry for you.
At worst it startled the guy who absorbed 98.75% of the multiverse. At best it hurt the guy who absorbed 98.75% of the multiverse. IT'S MEANINGLESS!!!11!
No it isn't. We aren't talking superhumans here. This is an abstract. Your lowballing is admirable. 👆
Who are you even arguing with? I posted a feat, not tried to argue that Thor was somehow on CK's level. Fact is he did perform the feat and it's something worth noticing. So I don't THINK he could have done anything to him, I SAW him do something.
Originally posted by Damborgson
At worst it startled the guy who absorbed 98.75% of the multiverse. At best it hurt the guy who absorbed 98.75% of the multiverse. IT'S MEANINGLESS!!!11!No it isn't. We aren't talking superhumans here. This is an abstract. Your lowballing is admirable. 👆
Who are you even arguing with? I posted a feat, not tried to argue that Thor was somehow on CK's level. Fact is he did perform the feat and it's something worth noticing. So I don't THINK he could have done anything to him, I SAW him do something.
Do you for ONE second think that if CK's attention was focused on Thor that that lightening strike would have done anything at all to CK?
Originally posted by zopzop
He did NOTHING except startle someone who was busy going up against another opponent.Do you for ONE second think that if CK's attention was focused on Thor that that lightening strike would have done anything at all to CK?
Look at you lowball 👆 it's almost passionate.
What does that have to do with anything?
Originally posted by Damborgson
Cheap but effective 😎Definitely not by natural wind. But magic laced wind? His wind has hurt Glory and it's hard to see the Hulk resisting something that can uproot the ground beneath him. How would he hold on or brace against that? Yes Hulk has changed direction in midair via thunderclaps before (lol), but under no special circumstances iirc. These would indeed be special circumstances.
He converted that blast to magic from the looks of it also, making it a potent blast that can and should rough the Hulk up.
He's never really had the oppurtunity to drain him tbh. He tends to go for auras like Kang, presence, Electro, etc.
I suppose he could if wanted to, but then that would be going into things he's never tried. He can and has drained radiation however, and the upperlimits of Mjolnir's ability to absorb energy are around galaxy busting. He could very well drain until Hulk reverts to a weaker form. Either creating an opening for his teammate or for himself. Or just turn him to Banner. Once Thor's started draining even once his opponents aura is gone he can still keep going. And he has much better draining capabilities than Armageddon does. Mjolnir ftw.
The Hulk's never really been a threat like he is here though. I've pretty well looked at every fight they've ever had and in almost all of them, Thor's been able to simply melee with he Hulk to a standstill. Thor being => Savage Hulk in strength at the beginning of the fight being the reason more likely than not. This is not the case here. There is no doubt at all that if someone is going down last, It's Thor. And his durability is known to be legendary for a reason. He has damage soak feats that basically shit on anyone in his league and puts him at a higher level. (Recent jobbings excluded.) I'm not even talking about Celestial blasts, or Galactus or anything. While it'd be definitely in his best interest not to be struck, the chances of his head being popped off are pretty low. Not with one hit anyway.
And again this should take care of things pretty nicely:
I'd like to see how you get past Thor's overwhelming hammer to face advantage.
heh.Aight, then if you're down I definitely am. I'll PM you a bit later.
Even using high end Thor then WBH can operate far faster than what Thor can do. Even if WBH allows Thor to start draining him then WBH won't be immobilized. WBH can still move an fight while being drained. If he knocks Thor in the process then WBH instantly gains his energy back (INSTANTLY!)
Considering that Thor isn't too many times more durable than Savage Hulk or those mindless ones then it is fair to say he will be killed or koed in one shot.
Celestial blasts feat should be considered PIS since it contradicts the entire history of comics by a vast amount, including that Odin nor the Destroyer could stand against the Celestials. It's worst than Spider-man vs. Firelord. Using the feat would suggest that Thor can't even be harmed by his own father, which we know is false.
