@Rage
You posted the scans and nothing I said was a lie - prior to Hercules doing his bit and bringing CK back to Earth Thor was a spectator, after the lightning and punch by Herc CK was literally laughing at them. Fighting a Chaos King that was no larger than a couple hundred feet tall is much easier than one who appeared to transcend the mortal plane and was larger than Earth several times over don't you think? Wether thats explicitly depowering/weakening, it's possible, but without Herc shrinking him the heros couldn't have done a thing. That's my (and I think Zopzops) point.
Agree with this Thor did well to get his attention. Chaos King didn't no-sell everything that his way though, Surfer was able to startle him somewhat in the God Squad tie in aswell.
No. But Mjolnir was empowered by Odin, and is incredibly powerful wether it's in Thors hands or not. I have no probs with him affecting Chaos King, but as is the case with many hardcore fans it gets blown out of proportion. That's the s**t I don't like.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
@Rage
You posted the scans and nothing I said was a lie - prior to Hercules doing his bit and bringing CK back to Earth Thor was a spectator, after the lightning and punch by Herc CK was literally laughing at them. Fighting a Chaos King that was no larger than a couple hundred feet tall is much easier than one who appeared to transcend the mortal plane and was larger than Earth several times over don't you think? Wether thats explicitly depowering/weakening, it's possible, but without Herc shrinking him the heros couldn't have done a thing. That's my (and I think Zopzops) point.Agree with this Thor did well to get his attention. Chaos King didn't no-sell everything that his way though, Surfer was able to startle him somewhat in the God Squad tie in aswell.
No. But Mjolnir was empowered by Odin, and is incredibly powerful wether it's in Thors hands or not. I have no probs with him affecting Chaos King, but as is the case with many hardcore fans it gets blown out of proportion. That's the s**t I don't like.
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Originally posted by The Sorrow
@Rage
You posted the scans and nothing I said was a lie - prior to Hercules doing his bit and bringing CK back to Earth Thor was a spectator, after the lightning and punch by Herc CK was literally laughing at them. Fighting a Chaos King that was no larger than a couple hundred feet tall is much easier than one who appeared to transcend the mortal plane and was larger than Earth several times over don't you think? Wether thats explicitly depowering/weakening, it's possible, but without Herc shrinking him the heros couldn't have done a thing. That's my (and I think Zopzops) point.Agree with this Thor did well to get his attention. Chaos King didn't no-sell everything that his way though, Surfer was able to startle him somewhat in the God Squad tie in aswell.
No. But Mjolnir was empowered by Odin, and is incredibly powerful wether it's in Thors hands or not. I have no probs with him affecting Chaos King, but as is the case with many hardcore fans it gets blown out of proportion. That's the s**t I don't like.
You are full of shit. Post a scan, statement or even a hint, that when Hercules knocked Chaos King down, it weakened him. You are clearly implying that the only reason Thor was capable of doing anything was because of Hercules previous maneuver.
You don't have a point, because nothing suggests that Chaos King being depowered was even possible.
Not only is size absolutely no indication of power (Seriously, at the end of the issue, Hercules went on to restore 99% of the freaking Multiverse, and that was on his last legs), it is no way supported by the comic.
God Squad? Are you talking about the Skrull Invasion?
So basically a completely irrelevant distinction. Nothing is being blown out of proportions. Only shit I see right now is your ridiculous lowballing, and how desperately you grasp at anything that may lessen the feat. I posted the scans, the only one trying to add extra conjecture not hinted at by the comic here is you.
Originally posted by h1a8
Power of CK's attack =/= CK's durability silly.
You can use silly reasoning all you want butt it won't change the fact that it was a normal Thor attack. Just like Conner Kent's attack on Prime was normal. Did CK job to the attack (is his durability to the point where he shouldn't notice Thor's lightning)? Or is his durability within the possibility that normal lightning attacks will be noticed?Stop acting silly, you even proved my point. You are claiming that CK is a high end abstract yet actually believe Thor can harm him without it being PIS. This is a contradiction since Thor doesn't not have more power output than Galactus let alone his father Odin.
So bottom line
1. CK's durability isn't all that's cracked up to be in that particular scene especially against magical lightning. Do you think Zeus would have done better or worst if he shot CK with lightning?
2. Anyone who reads comics knows there are contradictions and characters aren't always written at the same power level in every scene
3. PIS exists
4. There is no rule in comics that says a magical lightning attack shouldn't bother an abstract being.
5. A higher character actually having a low showing against a weaker character can easily be misconstrued as the lower character having a high showing, especially in the eyes of the bias.No one is lowballing here. Use common sense dude. Being able to bother an abstract being doesn't mean anything in itself. Especially in the light that higher beings have been bothered by lower beings many times.
So basically, you simply won't accept the feat no matter what counter argument I present because you don't like it.
Can't say I'm surprised, you tend to dismiss anything that doesn't fit into you're made up hierarchy.
Also, lol. Very possibly harming the Chaos King is nothing special? You've OD'ed on that haterade.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The artist did not have any problems with scale, I'll tell you that much
There was absolutely no indication that there was any shrinking involved, Hercules clearly just knocked him down:
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/HerculesVsCK8.jpg?t=1303265259
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/HerculesVsCK9.jpg?t=1303265292
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/HerculesVsCK10.jpg?t=1303265333
But this guy needs at least something to hold onto so I just pretend not to notice the particular piece of bullshit.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The fire when Thor hit him was clearly a small pool of Lava. Probably no bigger than a pool you can get at your local Wal Mart
Now you're speaking their language. Amadeus is clearly hundreds of feet tall here:
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/HerculesVsCK7.jpg?t=1303265228
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusthat Earth like looking thing? A model
Now you're speaking their language. Amadeus is clearly hundreds of feet tall here:
http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j351/igniz5/HerculesVsCK7.jpg?t=1303265228
They decided to fight in the space section of the local museum
Originally posted by Naija boy
Neither Red norvel nor Dargo Ktor have any thing indicating they would survive a direct hit from WBH. Quite frankly based on average potrayals no one on that team would. A good portion of them wouldnt even need to be hit to get killed. A solid thunderclap would likely devastate the field annihilating a good portion of them. A non worldbreaker green scar was able to thunderclap ko a Rulk highly amped of Hulks energy.....The astronomically more powerful WBH present in this thread would be able to do much worse to that team with a similar attack.BFR is off and CIS is on. This does not bode well for the team at all.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
WBH is still only 1/2 of the equation which produced the damage in HotM no?. Are u so sure a thunderclap can just annihilate heralds just like that?
You can split that ft into 1/10 and it would still be insane. A thundrclap should devastate most of the field. Let's not forget...the shockwaves from that punch even went past the planet destroying moons, etc...no telling how far the length of that attack was and it melted Heralds with ease. Let's also not forget that a holding back WBH had enough power in his left leg to crack Earth in half with a mere footstep. Let's also not forget that WWH, not even powered up to WBH levels took out Rulk with a simple thunderclap and Rulk was AMPED (Loeb Rulk.). WBH stomps.
@Rage
Jeezus talking about missing the point (even though I spelled it out clearly for you). The ONLY stage during that massive end brawl Thor was able to have any kind of affect on the CK was at that moment, in a co-ordinated attack AFTER Herc did his thing. Hell in the very scan you posted you have Amadeus shouting to Herc "Bring him down here!" before Herc slammed him back to Earth. It's really not that hard to comprehend if you read Chaos War #5.
Lulz do you think giant Zeus is easier or harder to defeat than if he were typical size? Hulk? Mangog? Galactus? Celestials? Size isn't an indication of power but it's going to at least make an opponent more formidable in most cases. That should be obvious.
No.
What exactly have I lowballed? That Daiman and Thor were able to affect Chaos King after Hercs gave them the opening? You mean despite the comic showing that happening? Smh.. My ONLY gripe has been that certain posters champion this feat as more than it is and ignore the context behind it.
Originally posted by carver9
You can split that ft into 1/10 and it would still be insane. A thundrclap should devastate most of the field. Let's not forget...the shockwaves from that punch even went past the planet destroying moons, etc...no telling how far the length of that attack was and it melted Heralds with ease. Let's also not forget that a holding back WBH had enough power in his left leg to crack Earth in half with a mere footstep. Let's also not forget that WWH, not even powered up to WBH levels took out Rulk with a simple thunderclap and Rulk was AMPED (Loeb Rulk.). WBH stomps.
The moon's are damaged as shown on panel.
The moon's are no where to be found after the destruction.
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk8.jpg
Don't think you looked at the comic hard enough. Second. How does that ft belong to Betty when she was wished to be Hulks equal? Third. You are clearly missing the point...you can split that ft in half and it would still be devastating because of the length and what Hulk accomplished unless you can show me something on panel with two skyfather level beings punching each other causing near the destruction the Hulks caused.
HULK even warned Strange about the destruction HE (Hulk) was going to do before it happened. He had no intentions on She Rulk being a part of this. He plotted AND warned Strange that he was going to break the world and again, never brought up She Rulk as someone who was going to aid in this.
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/hulk.jpg
