Originally posted by DTM
Whether they actually displayed their power or not, they are still the biblical representations of God and the Devil, which again, to me is much more than normal Thanos brings.
What exactly has "biblical" Satan done that's so impressive? Nothing! What exactly has SoK's 'biblical' representation of Satan done that's so impressive? Nothing. In fact, both "God" and "Satan" were shown to be clueless morons!
Thanos wins 10/10.
this is entirely a case of writer intent. common sense dictates that feats really have to be thrown in this type of match. there are many ways feats can be entirely misleading in this forum, whether by unfair quantity (hence more highs and low feats), arguable PIS, or, in this case, vastly different universes that make comparisons between individuals ridiculous. imo it's not a question that were thanos dropped in the preacher verse sok could and would kill him, effortlessly. that's what he DOES. a neutral universe makes this muddled and leads to these feats and decrying of feats. still, given what he was intended to be, i'd say sok could certainly kill thanos.
Originally posted by leonidas
this is entirely a case of writer intent. common sense dictates that feats really have to be thrown in this type of match. there are many ways feats can be entirely misleading in this forum, whether by unfair quantity (hence more highs and low feats), arguable PIS, or, in this case, vastly different universes that make comparisons between individuals ridiculous. imo it's not a question that were thanos dropped in the preacher verse sok could and would kill him, effortlessly. that's what he DOES. a neutral universe makes this muddled and leads to these feats and decrying of feats. still, given what he was intended to be, i'd say sok could certainly kill thanos.
Who was the most impressive person SoK killed that wasn't already weakened somehow (ie "God" by not being on his throne)?
What did Preacherverse "Satan" do, who did he fight that makes him so impressive? I KNOW you're not gonna use the "he was supposed to be the "biblical" Satan" line of reasoning because "biblical Satan" hasn't done jack that's impressive.
Why do we believe that SoK was invulnerable and nothing could harm him?
Because within the confines of the 'realistic' world that he inhabited, he flat out tanked everything thrown at him, without even a scratch, even a nuke. Even when Superman gets hit with a nuke, he gets a scratch, or his clothes get torn up a bit.
Everything he tried to kill, he killed. And his guns were made to kill everything, and would never need reloading, and never miss. We saw for sure that two of those statements were true (I never saw him reload, or run out of bullets, or miss).
SO, writers' intent was that he would create a character who cannot be harmed, and who would kill anything in his path. Just because he inhabited a weaksauce universe with no competition (relative to comic books, anyway) shouldn't take away from the intent. He is walking PIS, really.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why do we believe that SoK was invulnerable and nothing could harm him?Because within the confines of the 'realistic' world that he inhabited, he flat out tanked everything thrown at him, without even a scratch, even a nuke. Even when Superman gets hit with a nuke, he gets a scratch, or his clothes get torn up a bit.
Everything he tried to kill, he killed. And his guns were made to kill everything, and would never need reloading, and never miss. We saw for sure that two of those statements were true (I never saw him reload, or run out of bullets, or miss).
SO, writers' intent was that he would create a character who cannot be harmed, and who would kill anything in his path. Just because he inhabited a weaksauce universe with no competition (relative to comic books, anyway) shouldn't take away from the intent. He is walking PIS, really.
yep, pretty sums it up for me as well. like i said, direct comparisons fail here--feats fail because there is no apple's-to-apple's comparison. we can only look at what was intended for the character. to me it's pretty clear that thanos would die, but......whatever.
Originally posted by zopzop
But I don't understand why you'd believe this?Who was the most impressive person SoK killed that wasn't already weakened somehow (ie "God" by not being on his throne)?
What did Preacherverse "Satan" do, who did he fight that makes him so impressive? I KNOW you're not gonna use the "he was supposed to be the "biblical" Satan" line of reasoning because "biblical Satan" hasn't done jack that's impressive.
lol at biblical satan not having feats....in the bible! honestly zop, that ACTUALLY made me lol.
satan doesn't "need" feats for it to be understood that he is powerful, for readers to understand who and what he represents. again, this goes toward that idea that feats can be "mis-representative", and should be used, at times, with some common sense and attention to what is intended by the author.
you're right, you win a feat war. in this case, i simply don't put much stock (any) in direct comparisons of the sort you're trying to establish. :/
Originally posted by leonidas
lol at biblical satan not having feats....in the bible! honestly zop, that ACTUALLY made me lol.satan doesn't "need" feats for it to be understood that he is powerful, for readers to understand who and what he represents. again, this goes toward that idea that feats can be "mis-representative", and should be used, at times, with some common sense and attention to what is intended by the author.
you're right, you win a feat war. in this case, i simply don't put much stock (any) in direct comparisons of the sort you're trying to establish. :/
And this has nothing to do with a "feat" war. Thanos has more impressive actual ON PANEL fights.
Again, who was the most impressive person SoK's beat that wasn't already weakened somehow?
Originally posted by Galan007
Genesis was likely 'the' most powerful thing SoK killed, as he/she/it was God's equal.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Also, because SoK was meant to be a walking plot device (if it needed killing, he would kill it), transplant him into Marvel, or DC, and the writer would have him killing everything he goes up against, like a cosmic Punisher.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, like he killed that Vampire......oh wait.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
It's a dodgy argument to lose considering the Saint's later feats, especially as Ennis has said that it was a mistake and they hadn't solidified sorting out the Saint's character at that point.
By this argument, Batman has more on panel displays of H2H skill.
Ergo, he beats Champion.
Or he beats the Living Tribunal.
Or he beats TOAA.
On panel, She-Hulk has done a lot of strange and wonderful stuff. So has Deadpool. We wouldn't want to rely solely on what has been depicted on panel, right, when in fact the writer intended them to be nothing more than wacky humour...
Originally posted by Galan007
It was outright stated on panel that Genesis was equal to God, so it is accurate. 👆
So unless Genesis also has that "throne weakness" he cannot be equal to "God".
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You're about to get zopped.And then zopped again for good measure because he chose that name twice so he has to follow through.
Originally posted by zopzopI'm just telling you what the comic said, zop. Don't hate on me for citing canon info. 👆
Then we got problems. Because it was also stated on panel, by SoK's himself, that he would never have been able to kill "God" if he was sitting on his Throne.So unless Genesis also has that "throne weakness" he cannot be equal to "God".
Remember, though, there was some inconsistency here and there. SoK killed Satan, the Angel of Death, various demons, was unable to kill a vampire, then killed Genesis, all of Heaven's angels, then God. So yeah...
