Originally posted by ODGAnd you fail to realize why I posted that. It's because that's the Earth according to the Bible. Because the Bible had no understanding of outer space, how the Earth worked, etc.
When you get your non-sequitur pointed out and shot down, it's probably best not to keep bringing it up.You mean nothing happened in Preacher that disputes the common Christian notion of Heaven as lying beyond the veil of this world or that God created the universe. I get that you wanted God to be akin to Marvel's derivative Gaea lore-type god, but that's not what Ennis was drawing from. And you know it.
The only one who wouldn't want to accept that is someone with an agenda. And you're above that sh1t. Nothing in the comics suggested that Preacher Heaven was in the actual troposphere, much less the stratosphere. There isn't anything in the comic that suggests Heaven was Earth-bound.
Nothing went against the picture I posted. 🙂
I don't want him to be anywhere. I want him to be what he was in the comics, not raised up on a silver platter just because his name's God. No buddy, the people who are making up feats for him when it was never stated want him to be better than he was. I've already said Ennis' intention was just to write a decent story, not to have him comparing sick feats with other characters. Sok is a relatively featless character, and we have people on here stating he can beat Michael. It's ridikerous.
I mean, it's not like I'm using the nowadays belief of God to say that a comic book character created a universe.
Agenda. Says the Thanos hater who brought up the Bible in a thread to look for feats of a character. Still can't get over that... the Bible 😂
Well, I posted scans that really really imply that Heaven is either on Earth, or really close. So whatever. My stance is non sensical because you proved me wrong.
Originally posted by ODGI get it, stuff happened that was in the Bible. Still doesn't make it canon to a comic.
That's not Bible God? It is a God that was revealed to be a complete a$$hole, true. But Jesus was his Son. Satan was his nemesis. The angels did war in heaven. That type of lore only exists in the Bible. Pretending that we're supposed to divorce our conception of Preacher God from the Bible God is completely asinine.And his sh1tty attitude isn't exactly a complete 180 from the Bible God either. Bible God pms'ed and drowned an entire world. Put a tree with poisonous fruit and a dillweed snake in Paradise. Asked Cain where Abel was. Made Pharaoh be a cunt to the Hebrews just to make a point even though it meant every innocent firstborn's life (and then some). So you tell me just how different Preacher God's behavior really is under this microscope of your's.
So being an ass hole is the same as being a scared pussy who runs away from his creations? Well, that's fascinating. Because I'd point out that it's different, but you've shown me it's the same I guess.
I've already ackknowledged the malevolent God type. Backing that up doesn't do too much.
You want to show Bible God and Preacher God being the same? Show God being a scared pussy.
Bible God wasn't really egotistical either, he was an ass hole though. Plus he didn't need people to love him like Preacher God. If you didn't love him, fuk ya. Bible God would have shattered Cluster's face the minute Genesis bonded with him.
You ever hear anyone describe Bible God like this:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SOK/Preacher-Issue13-page08of24.jpg
Originally posted by ODGDid you just say I have no evidence?😂
You want to know what I see? I see you having literally no evidence that Preacher God only created the Earth, as opposed to everything. But the absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Especially not when the source material that Ennis drew from is staring us in the face and is rather unequivocal on the notion of creation.
There's 66 issues, and about 7 tie ins, in a story about God. If he created the universe, that'd be a perfect place to put it. I've asked someone to find the proof. No one has.
To put that in perspective, that's like 2100 pages where someone could have went "Oh btw, God created the universe", yet according to you and your Bible thumping ways, that page does not exist.
Everytime someone talks about what God created, it always goes back to humans even when they just are talking, like so:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SOK/Preacher-SaintOfKillers-Issue3of4-page07of24.jpg
I've seen some reaching on this forum. I've seen some links put together that probably shouldn't be put together (even though there's vague evidence), but you're telling me I'm wrong because no one ever said he didn't create the universe is you Stretch Armstronging past the dome into the chaos waters.
Originally posted by ODGDon't care what I said. I thought about it, and there's no clouds in the stratosphere. I was wrong.
You may have forgotten, but you said exactly that on page 24 of this thread. And there is absolutely no evidence that suggests Heaven is on Earth. The angels flying in the stratosphere suggests one thing: that's where they were when Genesis crashed into them. The surviving angel seeing it come from the rising sun suggests one thing: that's the direction he saw Genesis coming from as it fell to Earth.Your argument basically boils down to: well the dog was sh1tting on the street, ergo the doghouse is built on the sidewalk. Or, the kitten was looking up at a tree, therefore the tree is it's mother. The conclusion you're reaching for does not, in anyway, follow from the facts you listed.
Or that they're really ****ing close together.
Here's an angel who's job was to guard the edges of Heaven who was only shown flying on Earth.
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/SOK/__hr_Preacher23___pre23-12.jpg
Add that up with the others... and your overwhelming proof that Heaven is nowhere near Earth is more convincing.
My take on it, is that there's some sort of barrier to protect Heaven from being seen, or entered, but it's either on Earth or right above it (doesn't really matter), not that you care. Preacher God doesn't sit above watching the Universe, Preacher God sits there watching the Earth... well before he ran away. But just saying.
And your argument boils down to: Well, I have no proof, but your proof doesn't count because I said so.
Penis.
Originally posted by ODGAnd that was stated in the Bible? That God created the universe?
So you're admitting that God created the universe and existence as we know it? You're brandishing a double-edged sword and pretending like it's cutting into my arguments?I'm perfectly happy taking cherry-picked (and yea, you are cherry-picking them) snippets from the Bible that suggest a less lofty Heavenly plane because the Bible also makes it unequivocally clear that God created the universe and is responsible for all existence. How exactly is that double-edged sword working for you?
Cherry picking. Have you seen what you consider proof?
Those are pretty common quotes though, so there's that
Working pretty good because even if you're right, I don't give a shit about the Bible, just dabbling in your Bible thumping affairs. 🙂
Originally posted by ODG"The Bible is usuable proof for comic characters."
This is quanlite to say the least. I certainly hope you weren't particularly proud of this straw-man gibberish.
- ODG 2013
Strawman... me thinks you're not sure the meaning though.
Originally posted by ODGWhat does the term "this" mean to you?
What dodge? What have you pointed out that suggests that God was making a statement that was completely exclusive?
Does it mean that you include it when you're talking about something? Would someone use "This world" when they're on Venus fighting mexican warlords, but they're actually talking about Earth? Would that make sense to you?
He said "this world" in Heaven. Simple.
Originally posted by ODGThat wasn't Genesis
We know Genesis was flying around the planet. He did descend to merge with Jesse Custer, after all. What a completely unextraordinary fact.It can also suggest that he fell from space or a higher dimensional plane. Did I have to actually point this out to you or were you already aware of this? Let me know if certain concepts are actually exceeding your grasp here.
My proof? This conversation is about YOUR proof. Because you're so smugly confident that God only created Earth and that Heaven is located somewhere on it. Based on taking a stratosphere reference completely out of context and a negative proof fallacy. Smart.
Actually, it's rucking fetarded. To be blunt, your attempt to make God into a skyfather-lite entity reeks of witlessness and desperation.
And when you prove that, I'll gladly accept it.
I've posted multiple stuff that show (or in your case) heavily imply that Heaven is on Earth, or right above it. Saying "hurr durr, no yous wrong he fell from way highers, common sense" is a great way to change my mind. 🙂
And you don't agree with my proof. You know how you disprove something? Proving it.
And you had no problem bringing up the bible in an attempt to prove your point. You have no problem saying Preacher God created the universe, no problem saying he is above Skyfather, no problem stating a lot of things. But you refuse to prove shit. You straight up refused to prove it, funny. Yet, I ask for proof from the actual comic, and this is all about my proof. You're not the only one looking for proof of the other's statements. Oh and since I'm quan-lite... concession accepted.
Put up or shut up.
Witlessness and desperation... you realize you just attributed the Bible to a comic character, not only a comic book, but an Ennis comic book... 😂
THE BIBLE is now a credible source in the VS forums.
Tell you what since I'm a fair guy, and your point is fairly obvious according to you.
Give me one source from the comics that Heaven isn't extremely close to Earth or is in another actual dimension, and that God created the universe, and I'll concede to you being right, and the Bible is canon.
One source for each. It doesn't even have to be as factual as the many scans I posted. Implications, a mention of God creating another planet, a different dimension, etc.
I believe in you, you can find it pal. 🙂
Originally posted by MindsetI have become the person I hate most... I am the new Saint of Killers
Bran is maybe the worst person who has ever lived.
But seriously, that's why Bible talk shouldn't be talked about on a site other than ChristianMingles.com
This thread went from ass, to shit-your-pants bad
Don't know what's the argument about, but the preacher God was based off the Bible God. The story had to be different or you would be reading the bible.
You don't see the names Jesus, Satan, Angel of Death in the Norse or Greek mythologies.
I don't even know why we are arguing this point, the story took place in the 19th century US and last i remember, cowboys or rednecks didn't worship Odin.
Originally posted by zopzop
Well since YOU recommended it, I'll look it up right away! 🙄
^Your obsession with me is showing of how the Mad Titan has invaded your head.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The New Testament is the fulfillment of scripture in The Old Testament. The New Testament isn't a retcon, it is a sequel.You LOSE!
Your madness Titan is diminishing your intellect.
I win again.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^Your obsession with me is showing of how the Mad Titan has invaded your head.God was a wrathful bastard in the Old Testament, that loved terrorizing his creations just for the heck of it. The New Testament retcons his character into that of a loving, benevolent entity who's willing to sacrifice his own son for the good of humanity.
I win again.
Thanos, this is getting embarassing now.
In the Old Testament the shedding of blood was the only means of atoning for sin. The notion of a messiah who would be the final sacrifice was already established by the SAME God. There was no retcon, Christ shed his blood as he was always meant to.
That bag of bones you're obsessed with is diminishing your analytical ability.
