The Citadel: America's Freedom City of Tomorrow

The Citadel is evolving as a planned community where residents are bound together by:

Patriotism
Pride in American Exceptionalism
Our proud history of Liberty as defined by our Founding Fathers, and
Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes — such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina — or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.
The Citadel is not your typical planned community where the developer's objective is selling cookie-cutter homes at the highest possible profit-margin.

The Citadel is not profit-driven. The Citadel is Liberty-driven: specifically Thomas Jefferson's Rightful Liberty.

Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles. -end snip

http://iiicitadel.com/index.html

"A group of online organizers and a gun company are planning to build a fortified city in Idaho called The Citadel, where every resident from age 13 and up would be armed with guns. The goal of the community is to "fiercely" protect the ideals of American liberty and to be prepared for catastrophe of any kind. According to the Citadel website, the planned community is making room for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty -- the Rifle -- are prudent measures. There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall." -end snip

http://realestate.aol.com/blog/2013/01/17/citadel-idaho-armed-community/

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Reminds me a bit of Glenn Beck's plan to build Glenn Beck Land , aka "Independance". Which he claims is inspired by Walt Disney World and Ayn Rand's Galt's Gulch.

Originally posted by Robtard
The Citadel is evolving as a planned community where residents are bound together by:

Patriotism
Pride in American Exceptionalism
Our proud history of Liberty as defined by our Founding Fathers, and
Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes — such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina — or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.
The Citadel is not your typical planned community where the developer's objective is selling cookie-cutter homes at the highest possible profit-margin.

The Citadel is not profit-driven. The Citadel is Liberty-driven: specifically Thomas Jefferson's Rightful Liberty.

Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles. -end snip

http://iiicitadel.com/index.html

"A group of online organizers and a gun company are planning to build a fortified city in Idaho called The Citadel, where every resident from age 13 and up would be armed with guns. The goal of the community is to "fiercely" protect the ideals of American liberty and to be prepared for catastrophe of any kind. According to the Citadel website, the planned community is making room for 3,500 to 7,000 "patriotic American families who agree that being prepared for the emergencies of life and being proficient with the American icon of Liberty -- the Rifle -- are prudent measures. There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall." -end snip

http://realestate.aol.com/blog/2013/01/17/citadel-idaho-armed-community/

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Reminds me a bit of Glenn Beck's plan to build Glenn Beck Land , aka "Independance". Which he claims is inspired by Walt Disney World and Ayn Rand's Galt's Gulch.

Sounds pretty cool and interesting. However, I would be hesitant to live in a place like that until I got to know the people. If they were too fanatical, I'd pass. If they were very much libertarian, as it sounds, and left people alone to exercise personal choices, I would love to live in a place like that.

However, my better judgement says that most will be ultra-conservative Christians and Mormons.

But, yeah, I would love to help with the city planning and establishing some of the IT aspects of such a city. I would love to help design and establish their communications networking and Control Systems (PLCs used in the power grid, water, etc.). Lastly, I would love to be part of the contingency planning and disaster recovery committee.

Wouldn't you? You know, getting to build a city infrastructure from the ground up which included not only the physical aspects of such a project but the policy and procedure? The budget could be much higher than a standard budget since people would be donating money to the foundation....crazy paranoid people that would spend tons of money towards making a secure place. You don't get that kind of funding from standard city planning projects.

Also, I'm okay with Glen Beck. He yells a bit much for my taste but, overall, I actually like that guy. He's a bit nuts...and paranoid...but I like him. 🙂

Help build it in some sort of contractor position and I can make money? Sure, why not.

Live there? Hell no. Sounds like a massive Jonestown Guyana Jim Jone's commune in the making. Sure, it started out with good intentions; then the doors closed and people started drinking the Kool-Aid.

Though from an experiment perspective, would be nice to see how a community fares when practically everyone is walking around armed.

most commentators are very quick to point out just how many rules controlling people's behaviour are enforced in a place that is determined to be all about liberty.

and how it reeks of communism...

if it gets off the ground, I agree with Rob, it will be a wonderful case study, but I tend to think it will never materialize in the first place. Same with the city Glenn Beck wants to build

I can't help but feel that people who attempt such 'projects' are just trying to reinvent the wheel. In a fairly ass-backwards way, at that.

Originally posted by Robtard

Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.

This is the essential flaw of all such utopian ventures, be they anarchic hippie communes, religious retreats, or libertarian fortresses in the wastelands--their highminded ideals are betrayed by the cynicism, arrogance, and insularity that beget them.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
This is the essential flaw of all such utopian ventures, be they anarchic hippie communes, religious retreats, or libertarian fortresses in the wastelands--their highminded ideals are betrayed by the cynicism, arrogance, and insularity that beget them.

I would extend that and say that it also inevitably results in generational dissidence. Even if you find a large group of people that generally share your ideals, those ideals are not necessarily going to be possessed by their progeny (no matter how dogmatic and strict the system). It could take 1 or 2 generations but it can happen fairly quickly especially if the community is oppressive.

It is much easier to retain the same dogma, generationally, if the society is extremely insular. I don't think, in this example, the society would be insular, at all.

So it's Rapture from Bioshock, essentially.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I would extend that and say that it also inevitably results in generational dissidence. Even if you find a large group of people that generally share your ideals, those ideals are not necessarily going to be possessed by their progeny (no matter how dogmatic and strict the system). It could take 1 or 2 generations but it can happen fairly quickly especially if the community is oppressive.

It is much easier to retain the same dogma, generationally, if the society is extremely insular. I don't think, in this example, the society would be insular, at all.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That's the most interesting part: what are they intending to use those guns for? Who are they worried about? You don't arm an entire population out of principle.

I'd assume it's the notion of 'everyone has a gun = no laws will be broken', within the Citadel.

Unless they're the standard "the gob'ment is coming, so arm yerselves, it's a rewarlution!" types.

Good question though, I'd like to hear the official reason.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'd assume it's the notion of 'everyone has a gun = no laws will be broken', within the Citadel.

Unless they're the standard "the gob'ment is coming, so arm yerselves, it's a rewarlution!" types.

Good question though, I'd like to hear the official reason.

I think it is both reasons.

Their could be a 3rd, or even 4th or 5th! Definitely no more than five though.

Originally posted by Robtard
Their could be a 3rd, or even 4th or 5th! Definitely no more than five though.

Nah, just the two or slight variations of those two. Wanna touch the tips of our wieners together, now?

Only if you promise me that Jesus isn't watching.

He's always watching. He likes to watch.

Maybe Jesus can't see the happenings inside this Citadel, could be like the Tower of Babel. So we can all touch dicks and it will be okay.

90% sure that that's the reason why they want to build this city. For touching dicks. I've already got my ticket ready to go.

Originally posted by BackFire
90% sure that that's the reason why they want to build this city. For touching dicks. I've already got my ticket ready to go.

Touching dicks is no fun unless it is dicks touching dicks.

Yes, I am giving you tips* for Valentines Day.

*Of the dick. uhuh

It's always fun touching them with any part of your body. You saying otherwise makes me sick.

So the Citadel is pretty much the modest, mediocre, unimaginative, and inferior alternative to the Venus Project?

Gotcha.