Originally posted by 753
my posts aint even long, yours are longer
It was mainly Lord Lucien who pisses me off with his sly little comments.
Symmetric Chaos carried his little "agenda" too. "Prescience? Ha! *points finger* I told you! Shows how much you and your insignificant scientist friend know about it! 😛". Why doesn't he grow up? What a troll.
Originally posted by Dolos
I'll tell you why, they're ****ing annoying assclown trolls here is why.
I don't know, I tend to think that people who build arguments based on explicit contradictions are trolls.
Originally posted by Dolos
The only thing that could arouse them on any emotional level is trolling, not sci fi or anything you could discuss seriously about. It's very annoying.
I've never seen you discuss anything seriously. That pontificating you do is not discussing, although when you try to talk about things you've clearly never researched it is pretty funny.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't know, I tend to think that people who build arguments based on explicit contradictions are trolls.I've never seen you discuss anything seriously. That pontificating you do is not discussing, although when you try to talk about things you've clearly never researched it is pretty funny.
I was wrong, you're not a troll, you're cynnical and anal rententive. You're aggressively cynnical if you think I'm being dogmatic.
What arguments and what explicit contradictions?
None. I was only arguing that the future will far more of an extreme change than modern day from the past. There are so many phsyicists and inventors far more knowledgable than you, Symmetric Chaos, who've actually worked out a considerable likelyhood for a singularity. Past that was my pure conjecture, and irrelevant to any argument. It wasn't pontification either, and I don't mind someone disagreeing and arguing against the notion as a purely scientific implausibility, but don't start insulting me and some inventor (Ray Kurzweil) you know nothing about just to spite me.
Answer this question, have you seen "The Transcendent Man", have you actually read any of Ray Kurzweil's books?
If not you were just throwing his name out there to spite me, that's either because you're amused and trolling, or because you're a pissed off keyboard warrior, thus an aggressive cynnical ******* who's being anal rententive about my posts.
Originally posted by 753
great comeback👆I bet dear-hunting is among his top 3 favorite things in the world, right between comics and epic metal. scrawly means illegible handwriting btw.
I know I know.
He either does or doesn't, but if he admits to deer hunting I'm going to grin.
Let's see if I have prescience.
I have hunted deer. But then I'm from Northwest Florida, where people who haven't hunted deer are the minority. So, no you don't have prescience. You made a good guess. You're still guilty of using words you don't understand.
And what's wrong with deer hunting? If anything, people who automatically assume that deer hunting is cruel and destructive to the environment are the smug, uninformed ones. White tail deer overpopulate with disastrous results to the ecosystem if you don't hunt them (we killed all the wolves and panthers; no natural predators), and being killed by a bullet after a life in the wild is much better than the fate of cattle and pigs raised for their meat in factory farms.
Edit: But I haven't hunted in close to two years now because hunting sucks around here, and because me and my dad got nudged out of our hunting lease more or less for being "Yankees". Yeah, fun times.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I have hunted deer. But then I'm from Northwest Florida, where people who haven't hunted deer are the minority. So, no you don't have prescience. You made a good guess.And what's wrong with deer hunting? If anything, people who automatically assume that deer hunting is cruel and destructive to the environment are the smug, uninformed ones. White tail deer overpopulate with disastrous results to the ecosystem if you don't hunt them (we killed all the wolves and panthers; no natural predators), and being killed by a bullet after a life in the wild is much better than the fate of cattle and pigs raised for their meat in factory farms.
I don't do serious insults. Apart from your typical a-hole, troll, whatever I just called Symmetric Chaos, I try and keep my insults nonsensical even if I'm upset. On the internet, real-life, I never get into fights. I'm a nice guy.
ANYWAY, toldya so. 💃 💃
From another thread that I was close to derailing;
Originally posted by Dolos
Mathematically the Singularity could remove all human suffering throughout the globe. Even in third-world countries. In fact that is the very definition of a Type I Civilization on the Kardashev Scale, that and having access to 100% of the earth's energy and environmental processes even the damned weather. In that case not multiculturalism, but universal-culturalism will be established, we'll all be one high class society evolving into the future, literally. Death, disease, sickness, all cured by technology's ability to transform, upgrade us. Whatever you want to call it, it's pretty gawdy, ominous, and tearing at the soul to most people, the notion would be that is. Not to mention unbelievable, technological advancement is radically transforming however. So many people are unaware of that, but eventually it will be impossible for us to be unaware, we won't understand the world because of technology, and there's a good chance it could scare the majority of people into a Jihaad to end Jihaads, the final holy war, some nuclear armageddon. Who knows.It's called oblivion or paradise. Some say we'll opt for oblivion through stagnation, a degrading environment, and then the resulting economic turmoil from overpopulation and then finally war as in oblivion, or some natural disaster we are no longer equipped for. Scientists theorize this is likely the reality for most Alien life in the cosmos, why would we be any different? I think it's more likely that the conversion to beings who'd not be dick bags by genetic disposition, or perhaps directly through genetic alteration in future generations will activate a primal need to rebel to said conversion for most of the population, a jihaad of ignorance, a holy war to end holy wars.
The less likely option is that we'll accept a paradise. We'll be dosile in some such conversion period, and become more creative and intellectual beings free from sickness and death to enjoy the benefits of a perfect ecosystem and a perfect labor-free civilization. Because of such a civilization, our apathy to labor or servitude in a social community like a slum or gang or servitude in the labor world or servitude in any coorperate empire, our servitude to any system, into total apathy, our advanced minds will by nature begin to development problems geared toward our civilization and technological advancement in such things as the Kardashev Scale. Type II, solar system, Type III, Galaxy. Kinda like a conquest of sorts...for control over entire galactic energy sources.
Originally posted by Bentley
Seriously? People still use this sh_tty word in the twenty first century? I guess the utopian society won't make us any better at separating nonsensical concepts from sensible information.
Actaully you'd be correct about overpopulation, our inability to find living space, our growing depletion of the earth's natural resources, our contamination of the environment, and how that has begun to reverse our progress societially, economically, in all kinds of ways...it has canned the space program and done all kinds of economic mayhem here in the states.
However, there has been progress in the field of information technology, which would require our remedy to be more dramatic. While it's possibly too late for the space program, alternate fuel sources, etc. to find solutions to these global problems, perhaps not for smarter-than-the-human-Sapienome technologies that will arise in 50 years, to figure this mess out for us. Then it is either upload or become oblsolete to a technocracy that has no consciousness without us doing so.
There needs to be a huge paradigm shift in order for us to even participate in a theoretically utopian society. Keep in mind that our current progress is defined by our bias towards technological violence, using it to discourage and devaluate previous practices by commodity. We have some extra technological knowledge and we go dig corpses out of the pyramids because "there is no life after death, and if there was one, it wouldn't be compatible with early Egyptian religion". As such, our paradigm is just a way to burn down previous practices with utter disrespect without an afterthought by justifying ourselves with science and theory. Progress as we practice it is colonialist sh_t.
If there is no paradigm shift, we can assume that an utopian society may as well throw away the notion of individuality and education because such a value is worshipped in our current mindset and may be disproved later on.
Originally posted by Bentley
There needs to be a huge paradigm shift in order for us to even participate in a theoretically utopian society. Keep in mind that our current progress is defined by our bias towards technological violence, using it to discourage and devaluate previous practices by commodity. We have some extra technological knowledge and we go dig corpses out of the pyramids because "there is no life after death, and if there was one, it wouldn't be compatible with early Egyptian religion". As such, our paradigm is just a way to burn down previous practices with utter disrespect without an afterthought by justifying ourselves with science and theory. Progress as we practice it is colonialist sh_t.If there is no paradigm shift, we can assume that an utopian society may as well throw away the notion of individuality and education because such a value is worshipped in our current mindset and may be disproved later on.
One cannot exist as a singular consciousness without individuality, one cannot acquire the means to an end without neccessary knowledge. Knowledge can only be acquiring by learning, perhaps the most integral function of intelligence. And this is what we are talking about here, the evolution of intelligence and consciousness, and self-defined individuality based on what's desirable as oppossed to inherent.
The Technological Singularity is the first change of it's kind, the largest paradigm shift in human history, the omega point in human evolution, because it transforms humanity. As oppossed to the Italian Rennaisance or the Industrial Revolution, it would more like the rise of life on earth. Super-evolution, man-made evolution, the transcendental nature of awareness made manifest by the actual physical technological transformation.
It's bigger than us, our beliefs are the ponderings of an earth worm...what does it matter, all life truly is, is the precursor to something better...there's a part of us that always wants more.
Originally posted by Dolos
One cannot exist as a singular consciousness without individuality, one cannot acquire the means to an end without neccessary knowledge. Knowledge can only be acquiring by learning, perhaps the most integral function of intelligence. And this is what we are talking about here, the evolution of intelligence and consciousness, and self-defined individuality based on what's desirable as oppossed to inherent.The Technological Singularity is the first change of it's kind, the largest paradigm shift in human history, the omega point in human, because it transforms humanity. As oppossed to the Italian Rennaisance or the Industrial Revolution, it would be like the Rise of Life on Earth, or the Rise of Dinosaurs, of Mammals, the Rise of Man.
I thought this was about a societal evolution, which only means balanced has been achieved and some technology has been added to supress the inherent limitations of human biology. Humans can be reduced to ants for all we care as long as technology catches up for their limitations, if you have ways to enhance learning education doesn't even look similar to what we practice. Same with individuality.
Originally posted by Bentley
I thought this was about a societal evolution, which only means balanced has been achieved and some technology has been added to supress the inherent limitations of human biology. Humans can be reduced to ants for all we care as long as technology catches up for their limitations, if you have ways to enhance learning education doesn't even look similar to what we practice. Same with individuality.
Here's what I added on to your quote;
As oppossed to the Italian Rennaisance or the Industrial Revolution, it would more like the rise of life on earth. Super-evolution, man-made evolution, the transcendental nature of awareness made manifest by the actual physical technological transformation.It's bigger than us, our beliefs are the ponderings of an earth worm...what does it matter, all life truly is, is the precursor to something better...there's a part of us that always wants more.
That should actually add to what you say.
And while individuality and education will have been accelerated beyond recognition, they are actually functioning infinitely better than before. Perhaps all values will be in such a way.
I.E., you Mummy example. To ancient Egyptians it would seem like sacrilage, when in actuality we are knowing them now, thousands of years ahead of their time, and we are preserving their existence even further in our information, historical data, which will always continue to grow unless we destroy ourselves before the point of no return, before we reach Type I status and start our Conquest of the Stars.
Which makes the question utterly pointless. You cannot participate in such utopia because it isn't really you. I have nothing against civilizations that are entirely different to mine, but the fact that they are downright unpredictable for us make any guess work a gratuitous exercise.
Unless, of course, there was a paradigm shift that allowed to you do stuff like bullfighting in that "assumedly better" society. But I don't think that has been suggested, this is just a colonialize-me-please thread.
Originally posted by Bentley
Which makes the question utterly pointless. You cannot participate in such utopia because it isn't really you. I have nothing against civilizations that are entirely different to mine, but the fact that they are downright unpredictable for us make any guess work a gratuitous exercise.Unless, of course, there was a paradigm shift that allowed to you do stuff like bullfighting in that "assumedly better" society. But I don't think that has been suggested, this is just a colonialize-me-please thread.
I think I understand what you are getting at...
No this thread is meant more as a power trip, it gives one something to look forward other than death..even if they are atheistic...or even for agno-monotheistic Christains who might undergo the transformation if it doesn't really conflict their religious views, and if it does there's the choice to become obsolete, and live a completely natural life as we inhumans cleanse the ecosystem of the air-born toxins from the Industrial Revolution and all it's pollution. It's a place to imagine the heaven one'd forge if said paradigm shift occured within his or her own conscience.