Originally posted by Dolos
We will just cure our obesity, and instead make ourselves look like chisseled 18 year-old studs, those two young will accelerate the aging procces, those too old will reverse it, and those at just the right age will halt it permanently.
Originally posted by Mindset
I would create a virus that would shut down all machines destroying the utopia.They can lock me up, but I have destroyed everything they cared for and I will have sent them all into damnation.
If you want death, it shall come.
Some are limited by their own morality, or lack there of. You think death has some greater meaning or serves some greater purpose than the end of an insignificant biological function? That's an abstract idea, now try to make it into an hypothesis. Prove the existence of God while you're at it.
Originally posted by Scarlet FoxNot really, the only problem would be overpopulation and using up natural resources. If we had the technology would could create the resources we need, develop new ones, colonize other parts of space, etc.
Where is the Balance in that? Are you saying there will be no Death? Cause the world needs Death, as gruesome as that seems.
Death is for suckers.
Originally posted by Dolos
If you want death, it shall come.
What if I change my mind later? Presumably future me has just as much right to live as current.
Actually this is my favorite utopian paradox. The utopia wishes to create the most good/pleasure. However, if the utopia can be improved then it is better to be alive the future and as the population rises there will be more people in the better future utopia. In fact unless the utopia fails there are an infinite number of people in the future of the utopia. Consequently every generation should be enslaved to finding way to design a better utopia to better the lives of the infinite future people.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What if I change my mind later? Presumably future me has just as much right to live as current.Actually this is my favorite utopian paradox. The utopia wishes to create the most good/pleasure. However, if the utopia can be improved then it is better to be alive the future and as the population rises there will be more people in the better future utopia. In fact unless the utopia fails there are an infinite number of people in the future of the utopia. Consequently every generation should be enslaved to finding way to design a better utopia to better the lives of the infinite future people.
No, it's not slavery.
It will happen, because it is intelligent nature to want more. It is by will alone that we will be making things better, and having a better time doing than any form of servitude could ever offer. You have the decision to die, to stop thinking and learning. That's why I said that.
Nobody will be concerned with nihilism or control like Robderp and Mindset. Death and regression is boring, we know the end to that, that is history, neanderthals, that is Empires that have already crumbled, nothing new, nothing exciting. The thrill of terrorism would be obsolete to future Utopians.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosThat's why my existence is needed.
What if I change my mind later? Presumably future me has just as much right to live as current.Actually this is my favorite utopian paradox. The utopia wishes to create the most good/pleasure. However, if the utopia can be improved then it is better to be alive the future and as the population rises there will be more people in the better future utopia. In fact unless the utopia fails there are an infinite number of people in the future of the utopia. Consequently every generation should be enslaved to finding way to design a better utopia to better the lives of the infinite future people.
Originally posted by Mindset
I would create a virus that would shut down all machines destroying the utopia.They can lock me up, but I have destroyed everything they cared for and I will have sent them all into damnation.
Originally posted by Dolos
No, it's not slavery.It will happen, because it is intelligent nature to want more. It is by will alone that we will be making things better, and having a better time doing than any form of servitude could ever offer.
A world where everyone is either brainwashed or incapable of thinking unlike the rest of the group is usually considered a false utopia, whether they're technically slaves or not.
Originally posted by Dolos
You have the decision to die, to stop thinking and learning. That's why I said that.
Okay but consider the case where I wish to die but am prevented, then go on to lead a happy life. This happens in the real world but in the utopia it should be possible every time since you have ultimate therapy. In a utopia future me shouldn't be denied happiness because of the decisions I make now.
Everyone is independent in a Utopia, free to make their own decisions.
I just said that most likely no one would be as pecimistic or superstitious or paranoid or controlling or manipulative as some people are today. Really they wouldn't be any of these things, not a single soul. Really it's called better decision making, if chooses to be unhappy, and don't seek help, then their free will cannot be tampered with.
Originally posted by Mindset
That's why my existence is needed.
To make sure humanity dies out, or remains in stagnation, never to make progress or to evolve in all the most beneficial ways.
Derp.
I feel safe if a virus is all you can come up with. Grey goo would be a duodecillion times more lethal, and yet effortlessly conquerable, just quickly make a negative grey goo to cancel it out.
Originally posted by Dolos
Everyone is independent in a Utopia, free to make their own decisions.
If it is a requirement that everyone "independently" come to the same conclusion they're not really independent.
Originally posted by Dolos
I just said that most likely no one would be as pecimistic or superstitious or paranoid or controlling or manipulative as some people are today. Really they wouldn't be any of these things, not a single soul. Really it's called better decision making, if chooses to be unhappy, and don't seek help, then their free will cannot be tampered with.
I would consider this a false utopia, then, even setting aside the idea that people "choose to be unhappy," since you've implicitly stripped away independence.
Originally posted by DolosWtf are you blabbering about?
To make sure humanity dies out, or remains in stagnation, never to make progress or to evolve in all the most beneficial ways.Derp.
I feel safe if a virus is all you can come up with. Grey goo would be a duodecillion times more lethal, and yet effortlessly conquerable, just quickly make a negative grey goo to cancel it out.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If it is a requirement that everyone "independently" come to the same conclusion they're not really independent.I would consider this a false utopia, then, even setting aside the idea that people "choose to be unhappy," since you've implicitly stripped away independence.
There isn't a nuance of logic in your nonsensical complaints.
But when they've built a place like that, a colussos super-city that feeds solely on the heat of the sun, a place for the scholarly, I am going to be the first one there. You can go to Suburbonville or whatever uneventful place you stay at and have a drink with your buddies.
Originally posted by Mindset
Wtf are you blabbering about?
Grey goo. Grey matter. Nanites. Self-replicating matter consuming microscopic organisms designed for one purpose, the consumption of a planet's surface.
Haven't you seen The Day The Earth Stood Still remake?
Talk about a virus, do you know how much corrupt data these things could spread to machinery before consuming it and converting it into energy to multiply a few more billion times? A computer virus in an AI operated Utopian City? Forget it man, they have safe holds, back up plans for back up plans for things a trillion times worse than anything your dull imagination could concieve.