Originally posted by Dolos
There isn't a nuance of logic in your nonsensical complaints.
I'm pointing out that you've built your imaginary utopia on utterly contradictory requirements. For example: It cannot be that everyone is independent and everyone thinks the same.
You seem to have a very childish view of debate. This is a discussion forum on a dick sucking forum. People here may disagree with you.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'm pointing out that you've built your imaginary utopia on utterly contradictory requirements. For example: It cannot be that everyone is independent and everyone thinks the same.You seem to have a very childish view of debate. This is a discussion forum on a dick sucking forum. People here may disagree with you.
Who ever said anyone thought the same? You're ridiculous!
I said post-humans will be better decision makers. Carl Sagan would co-sign, as I learned that from his words of wisdom.
I don't know one human being who isn't a retarded snob. It's not within human threshold to be a God. Given the chance I would become a God given the technologies of the future. That's an intelligent decision, and I like to think I'm intelligent. I choose to be, and therefore I am, not limited by obstacles earthly or otherwise.
Originally posted by DolosThey would end life, I just want to make it chaotic, you sadistic animal.
Grey goo. Grey matter. Nanites. Self-replicating matter consuming microscopic organisms designed for one purpose, the consumption of a planet's surface.Haven't you seen The Day The Earth Stood Still remake?
Talk about a virus, do you know how much corrupt data these things could spread to machinery before consuming it and converting it into energy to multiply a few more billion times? A computer virus in an AI operated Utopian City? Forget it man, they have safe holds, back up plans for back up plans for things a trillion times worse than anything your dull imagination could concieve.
You need to take a long hard look in the mirror and figure out where your life went wrong, you're sick.
Also, my virus will have back up plans for their back up plans, back up plans. So what up?
Originally posted by DolosA god in what context?
Who ever said anyone thought the same? You're ridiculous!I said post-humans will be better decision makers. Carl Sagan would co-sign, as I learned that from his words of wisdom.
I don't know one human being who isn't a retarded snob. It's not within human threshold to be a God. Given the chance I would become a God given the technologies of the future. That's an intelligent decision, and I like to think I'm intelligent. I choose to be, and therefore I am, not limited by obstacles earthly or otherwise.
I feel like this thread is trying to push people in one decision that you want.
Like this notion that people will all logically come to the same conclusions if you make them 'smarter' or you have to be intelligent to come to your conclusions.
Next it goes off of ideas that this Utopia will create technologies that don't exist and you don't even know if they will ever exist on the level you want.
Then you have it all wrong.
This is liberation of control, this particular society couldn't function without complete rights and liberation that just isn't possible in a divided world like this.
It's the only intelligent way to live, a lot of people aren't intelligent at all and let themselves and their intelligences be exploited to the system. It's like slaves working the submissive part of their brain instead of the creative regions...and are so idiotic that they fight to continue to do so. I won't be controlled, if I had to sacrifice a monetary, community, social, racial, gender role, religious, or political control over my lessers, ****ing so be it.
Originally posted by DolosWhat exactly is the only intelligent way to live? I just want to make sure I'm clear on it before moving on.
Then you have it all wrong.This is liberation of control, this particular society couldn't function without complete rights and liberation that just isn't possible in a divided world like this.
It's the only intelligent way to live, a lot of people aren't intelligent at all and let themselves and their intelligences be exploited to the system. It's like slaves working the submissive part of their brain instead of the creative regions...and are so idiotic that they fight to continue to do so. I won't be controlled, if I had to sacrifice a monetary, community, social, racial, gender role, religious, or political control over my lessers, ****ing so be it.
Cause it sounds like you're going to force people to think the way you want because you think less of them.
Originally posted by Newjak
What exactly is the only intelligent way to live? I just want to make sure I'm clear on it before moving on.
To live in complete and total equality, free from any sort of neccessity to do anything you don't want to do. Technology has removed that need and in it's wake, endless freedom of positive creative progress will be given to our descendent species (Gods).
Cause it sounds like you're going to force people to think the way you want because you think less of them.
Simply trying to make you aware of these things that the likes of Ray Kurzweil, Jaque Fresco, Carl Sagan, Michio Kaku and many other scientific minds hope for our future. But by all means believe what you want. Believe in us annihilating each other when we're at the precipice of a technological singularity because we won't accept a Utopia out of superstition, fear, submissive reluctance, or stupidity. I can't change human nature.
If we don't create a Utopian eco-correcting city filled with AI to keep it self-sustaining and totally sufficient on solar energy, able to clean the atmosphere and incapable of being brought down by the earth's weather that we would control - if we don't change our ways in the ways Jaque Fresco offers with his Round Cities; we'll just die out. Competition for living space and resources will cause global conflict, economic bell curves, etc...
We are approaching the singularity whether we want to remain in stagnation or not, but if we destroy these technologies out of fear or superstition, refuse to go into space, become super-intelligent by integrating with the exponentially expanding AI, and build elsewhere. Refusal to take on these challenges with the one thing that has propelled all the good of society and freedom will result in a war to end wars, whether we like it or not.
Originally posted by Dolos
To live in complete and total equality, free from any sort of neccessity to do anything you don't want to do. Technology has removed that need and in it's wake, endless freedom of positive creative progress will be given to our descendent species (Gods).Simply trying to make you aware of these things that the likes of Ray Kurzweil, Jaque Fresco, Carl Sagan, Michio Kaku and many other scientific minds hope for our future. But by all means believe what you want. Believe in us annihilating each other when we're at the precipice of a technological singularity because we won't accept a Utopia out of superstition, fear, submissive reluctance, or stupidity. I can't change human nature.
If we don't create a Utopian eco-correcting city filled with AI to keep it self-sustaining and totally sufficient on solar energy, able to clean the atmosphere and incapable of being brought down by the earth's weather that we would control - if we don't change our ways in the ways Jaque Fresco offers with his Round Cities; we'll just die out. Competition for living space and resources will cause global conflict, economic bell curves, etc...
We are approaching the singularity whether we want to remain in stagnation or not, but if we destroy these technologies out of fear or superstition, refuse to go into space, become super-intelligent by integrating with the exponentially expanding AI, and build elsewhere. Refusal to take on these challenges with the one thing that has propelled all the good of society and freedom will result in a war to end wars, whether we like it or not.
Resources by their nature are finite even the sun itself is. So would there still not be competition for the resources we have.
Does that mean any chance for a peaceful coexistence will be lost?
Even if these technologies are created won't the human race still come to an end at some point.
Okay, now you're getting into plausibility. I have the notion, and I do not find it delusional, that there will be a point in technological development that creates a world we cannot imagine in the not so distant future.
Now you have to understand I have been fed tons of this by scientists like Ray Kurzweil, Michio Kaku, and many others. Just google search "The Singularity".
The human race is inevitably going to end...we will have a choice, I think, to survive in the technology we have created...and live to see the miraculous transformation.
Nothing is garanteed, the best thing to do for me is to get an education and pursue a palpable career.
I would actually think it's a lot further off than what they are talking about.
I mean, it's a concept, the singularity...and the possibilities that come with it could create a very different world. A lot of people feel that they'd be unable to relate, or to adapt to the changing world.
You'd be right to think this much, because you're only a human. At this moment, there is no reason I wouldn't become an ageless cyborg resembling a perfect human right down to the bone. You cannot see the flesh and blood's molecular contents that make me this God. But with many hundreds, or maybe thousands of times more memory and an incaculable ability to process information like the supercomputers of today but built into my neurons.
That could change, maybe I'll not want to adapt to this changing world in the future...it all depends on how I feel about it or if it ever happens in my lifetime.
I think you are ignoring the fact that many problems with humanity are not a related to things technology can solve.
like, inequality in the distribution of resources is not based on scarcity alone, and scarcity isn't always based on limitation of resources, facts most technocrats ignore. Both food and land are great examples of the former, while the human tendency to place special value on, say, an original piece of art rather than an identical reproduction demonstrates the latter.
Originally posted by DolosSomeone's been playing New Vegas and siding with Mr. House.
You'd be right to think this much, because you're only a human. At this moment, there is no reason I wouldn't become an ageless cyborg resembling a perfect human right down to the bone. You cannot see the flesh and blood's molecular contents that make me this God. But with many hundreds, or maybe thousands of times more memory and an incaculable ability to process information like the supercomputers of today but built into my neurons.