Viktor (Underworld) vs. Palpatine

Viktor's swords won't break up against the lightsaber. Who wins ?

Palpatine slays him easily. None of the vamps or werewolves in Underworld demonstrated anything capable of keeping pace with the flashes of Force speed shown in the SW films. Even moving quickly enough to catch a moving car is nowhere near what Force users demonstrate.

There's also nothing to show that Viktor will be able to resist any Force attacks against his mind, survive a powerful blast of TK or lightning, nor escape simply being held in place by the Force whilst Sidious guides his saber to decapitate him as he pleases.

Did Viktor ever display superspeed???

Cause that's his only advantage.

And Ascendancy when did Palpatine show such speed similar to what Obi and Anakin did?

Even then unless Viktor showed some amazing fencing that I'm unaware of, Palpatine destroys him.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Palpatine slays him easily. None of the vamps or werewolves in Underworld demonstrated anything capable of keeping pace with the flashes of Force speed shown in the SW films. Even moving quickly enough to catch a moving car is nowhere near what Force users demonstrate.

There's also nothing to show that Viktor will be able to resist any Force attacks against his mind, survive a powerful blast of TK or lightning, nor escape simply being held in place by the Force whilst Sidious guides his saber to decapitate him as he pleases.

The force lightning also failed to impress me. Even despite a longer exposure such as what Luke had to deal with he was fine right afterwards.

Viktor wins.

Depends on where the fight takes place.

If in an enclosed area like the pit Lucien and Viktor fought in I can see Viktor overwhelming him with such a highly dense sword.

If the fight is in the council area in SW:III Palpatine wins easily.

If the fight takes place in a more even grounds. Like a 50 ft sq arena starting at 15 ft apart. I see Viktor being in trouble.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Depends on where the fight takes place.

If in an enclosed area like the pit Lucien and Viktor fought in I can see Viktor overwhelming him with such a highly dense sword.

If the fight is in the council area in SW:III Palpatine wins easily.

If the fight takes place in a more even grounds. Like a 50 ft sq arena starting at 15 ft apart. I see Viktor being in trouble.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Viktor's speed is being underestimated here. We see his mortal enemy as a youth easily turn around and catch an arrow. That shows how impressive his reflexes and reaction time is even at a tender age. I also look at his fight against Michael the hybrid. The guy was supposed to be superior and but Viktor's battle savvy/skills still prevailed.

He lost to Lucien though. Who was fast enough to outrun a speeding car.

I only vaguely remember Underworld III. But I do know how strong the Vamps and Lycans were in the films. Though their speed feats were "distance moving" feats and not combat ones as were the Jedis and Siths in the Star Wars films.

The Underworld characters are far stronger. But what in the fight showed Viktor being superior to Sith senses in regards to swordplay?

Originally posted by the ninjak
He lost to Lucien though. Who was fast enough to outrun a speeding car.

I only vaguely remember Underworld III. But I do know how strong the Vamps and Lycans were in the films. Though their speed feats were "distance moving" feats and not combat ones as were the Jedis and Siths in the Star Wars films.

The Underworld characters are far stronger. But what in the fight showed Viktor being superior to Sith senses in regards to swordplay?

Look at Michael's combat speed in the first movie against Viktor. Viktor still bested him. He had speed of his own and has the damage soak to prevail.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He only semi lost due to the circumstances. That chain battle and the sun put him at a disadvantage. Weakness exploitation. He was much younger and grew to be far more powerful in the first movie. Lucien caught an arrow as a youth while in combat with someone else. Viktor overpowered Raze in Lycan form. Easily.

Look at Michael's combat speed in the first movie against Viktor. Viktor still bested him. He had speed of his own and has the damage soak to prevail.

Viktor defeated the faster and enhanced Michael due to his inexperience in combat. Yet Selene had no problem slicing his head in half with a broadsword.
Whether it was his history with her that allowed him to hold back or not.

Michael has never been that impressive in the scheme of things in regards to the series. He never lived up to the hype.

Selene had the most impressive feats on screen. In particular the scene in Underworld II where she fought the Russian soldiers in the forest.

I'm blabbering. But what Viktor had over Michael and Lucien may give him an instinctual advantage over battle speed. And his insane strength may give him an edge in pressure.
But that's nothing the foresight of the Force and Force Pushing can't negate in the long run.

Not like the Emperor ever showed Force Pushing during a fight unless I'm mistaken. He seemed to rely on persuasion, jumping and Force Lighting as his 3 main weapons.
Which are the 3 reasons I give Viktor a chance at wins. Persuasion wont slow him down. Lightning wont either. And Jumping won't work in a tight environment. If sword met Light Saber Viktor would overpower him.

But only under tight circumstances.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Viktor defeated the faster and enhanced Michael due to his inexperience in combat. Yet Selene had no problem slicing his head in half with a broadsword.
Whether it was his history with her that allowed him to hold back or not.

Michael has never been that impressive in the scheme of things in regards to the series. He never lived up to the hype.

Selene had the most impressive feats on screen. In particular the scene in Underworld II where she fought the Russian soldiers in the forest.

I'm blabbering. But what Viktor had over Michael and Lucien may give him an instinctual advantage over battle speed. And his insane strength may give him an edge in pressure.
But that's nothing the foresight of the Force and Force Pushing can't negate in the long run.

Not like the Emperor ever showed Force Pushing during a fight unless I'm mistaken. He seemed to rely on persuasion, jumping and Force Lighting as his 3 main weapons.
Which are the 3 reasons I give Viktor a chance at wins. Persuasion wont slow him down. Lightning wont either. And Jumping won't work in a tight environment. If sword met Light Saber Viktor would overpower him.

But only under tight circumstances.

Michael showed off superior speed and did physically kill a weakened William Corvinus. Was Michael unstoppable ? No, but physically he was quite impressive.

Selene was still less than Viktor. She had the most screen time so of course she has the most feats.

Viktor would close the distance and kill him up close and personal. Palpatine would look to run against someone of Viktor's caliber. Viktor lived much longer and was an excellent war strategist/combatant.

I definitely see this as Viktor's fight.

Quan, you need to supply a locale for fights like this.

As I stated above. Palpatine can jump high into the sky and use his environment against his opponent. But if the fight takes place in a tight location Viktor can pound in. The fight is static.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Viktor defeated the faster and enhanced Michael due to his inexperience in combat. Yet Selene had no problem slicing his head in half with a broadsword.
Whether it was his history with her that allowed him to hold back or not.

Michael has never been that impressive in the scheme of things in regards to the series. He never lived up to the hype.

Selene had the most impressive feats on screen. In particular the scene in Underworld II where she fought the Russian soldiers in the forest.

I'm blabbering. But what Viktor had over Michael and Lucien may give him an instinctual advantage over battle speed. And his insane strength may give him an edge in pressure.
But that's nothing the foresight of the Force and Force Pushing can't negate in the long run.

Not like the Emperor ever showed Force Pushing during a fight unless I'm mistaken. He seemed to rely on persuasion, jumping and Force Lighting as his 3 main weapons.
Which are the 3 reasons I give Viktor a chance at wins. Persuasion wont slow him down. Lightning wont either. And Jumping won't work in a tight environment. If sword met Light Saber Viktor would overpower him.

But only under tight circumstances.

I'd say that alone makes him live up to the hype.

Can you imagine a just turned vamp or werewolf giving Victor any problems? He'd one shot them. Also Michael was able to take on the Originals like a year after transforming. The Vamp original easily killed a centuries old vampire.

Originally posted by Mindset
A newborn Michael was kicking Victor's ass for awhile.

I'd say that alone makes him live up to the hype.

Can you imagine a just turned vamp or werewolf giving Victor any problems? He'd one shot them. Also Michael was able to take on the Originals like a year after transforming. The Vamp original easily killed a centuries old vampire.

It took Viktor a while to adjust to Michael's movements. He healed all slashes instantly beforehand. And took all of his strikes like they didn't matter at all. He was surprised....yes. But eventually took him on, on his own terms and put him down.

My mentioning of Michael not living up to his hype was his petty capture in Underworld 4. A simple launched projectile in the chest that he could'nt just remove. The guy withstood multiple projectiles in earlier films yet couldn't rip a latched missile to the chest.

Originally posted by the ninjak
It took Viktor a while to adjust to Michael's movements. He healed all slashes instantly beforehand. And took all of his strikes like they didn't matter at all. He was surprised....yes. But eventually took him on, on his own terms and put him down.

My mentioning of Michael not living up to his hype was his petty capture in Underworld 4. A simple launched projectile in the chest that he could'nt just remove. The guy withstood multiple projectiles in earlier films yet couldn't rip a latched missile to the chest.

Yeah his capture was ass. One of the many problems i had with the movie. But the fact that Michael was even remotely a challenge for Viktor seconds after being "born" shows his amazing ability. And he fought pretty evenly against William who was much more powerful than Viktor.

And Viktor lost pretty embarrassingly to his daughter. And then later to Lucian. Both things i loathed about "Rise" btw. Neither one of them should have been even a minimal threat to him

EDIT: And iirc Lucian was holding his own against Viktor before sunlight was involved. Been awhile since i've seen it tho so i could be wrong. The whole "the older you the stronger you get" idea takes a dump in that series too many times for my liking.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yeah his capture was ass. One of the many problems i had with the movie. But the fact that Michael was even remotely a challenge for Viktor seconds after being "born" shows his amazing ability. And he fought pretty evenly against William who was much more powerful than Viktor.

And Viktor lost pretty embarrassingly to his daughter. And then later to Lucian. Both things i loathed about "Rise" btw. Neither one of them should have been even a minimal threat to him

It's also interesting to note how easily he dispatched the werewolves in the second movie, and him killing the first werewolv without any significant problems. Michael was, from my perspective, always somewhat limited by having been human, he didn't have the ferocity of the werewolves nor the cynical view of the vampires.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yeah his capture was ass. One of the many problems i had with the movie. But the fact that Michael was even remotely a challenge for Viktor seconds after being "born" shows his amazing ability. And he fought pretty evenly against William who was much more powerful than Viktor.

And Viktor lost pretty embarrassingly to his daughter. And then later to Lucian. Both things i loathed about "Rise" btw. Neither one of them should have been even a minimal threat to him

EDIT: And iirc Lucian was holding his own against Viktor before sunlight was involved. Been awhile since i've seen it tho so i could be wrong. The whole "the older you the stronger you get" idea takes a dump in that series too many times for my liking.

All these things. I agree.

But it is only important to focus on what Viktor was capable of in regards to this fight.
-He choked out a Lycan. A being famously stronger than a vampire.
-Defeated Michael, a hybrid when resorting to bare knuckle combat.
-Survived whatever damage brought upon in UW:3. Though he lost to unfair circumstances.

I'm not representing Viktor at all. But his ability to challenge a Sith Lord (Palpatine) in a tight area, with a sword that can repel a lightsaber.

Originally posted by the ninjak
It took Viktor a while to adjust to Michael's movements. He healed all slashes instantly beforehand. And took all of his strikes like they didn't matter at all. He was surprised....yes. But eventually took him on, on his own terms and put him down.

My mentioning of Michael not living up to his hype was his petty capture in Underworld 4. A simple launched projectile in the chest that he could'nt just remove. The guy withstood multiple projectiles in earlier films yet couldn't rip a latched missile to the chest.

Originally posted by juggerman
Yeah his capture was ass. One of the many problems i had with the movie. But the fact that Michael was even remotely a challenge for Viktor seconds after being "born" shows his amazing ability. And he fought pretty evenly against William who was much more powerful than Viktor.

And Viktor lost pretty embarrassingly to his daughter. And then later to Lucian. Both things i loathed about "Rise" btw. Neither one of them should have been even a minimal threat to him

EDIT: And iirc Lucian was holding his own against Viktor before sunlight was involved. Been awhile since i've seen it tho so i could be wrong. The whole "the older you the stronger you get" idea takes a dump in that series too many times for my liking.

Originally posted by the ninjak
All these things. I agree.

But it is only important to focus on what Viktor was capable of in regards to this fight.
-He choked out a Lycan. A being famously stronger than a vampire.
-Defeated Michael, a hybrid when resorting to bare knuckle combat.
-Survived whatever damage brought upon in UW:3. Though he lost to unfair circumstances.

I'm not representing Viktor at all. But his ability to challenge a Sith Lord (Palpatine) in a tight area, with a sword that can repel a lightsaber.

-Yes him killing Raze so effortlessly was extremely impressive.
-I gotta give him the Michael feat with a grain of salt tho. He was getting beat up early on by a guy that barely knew how to use his power while Viktor has had centuries to adapt.
-Survivng was easy enough since they all have healing factors. Losing is what kills me tho.

Originally posted by Mindset
Lucian was born a Lycan, he was the first of his kind, we don't know how powerful that made him.

Very true. Also i'd like to point out how it's stated that "only the oldest and most powerful lycans" can transform at will yet Raze and the other "new borns" did so like a day after being turned. The whole thing is inconsistant as f*ck.

But based solely on movie protrayals i think Viktor should win