Originally posted by FrothByteJust because he didn't want to take advantage off a random event doesn't mean he wasn't going all out with Hector before and after.
"I won't let a stone steal my glory". Achilles did say something like that didn't he? He could have easily killed Hector then, but he told him to get up and fight him again. He even threw away his shield to make the fight more even. You don't do these things if you want t finish the fight as fast as possible. Meaning Achilles wanted to draw it out.Also you notice in most of their fight, Achilles would deliver a blow then strike a pose. Deliver a blow then strike another pose. You really think that was Achilles going for the kill? He was toying with Hector. Or if "toying" seems to be too strong a word then let's say he was trying to "punish" Hector by drawing out the fight and him savoring it.
Not sparring like he did with his cousin, but definitely not going for an immediate kill.
When Hector finally scratched Achilles' armor, Hector grazed his armor with a wild swing and hardly damaged Achilles armor. I don't see why this is seen as a low showing for Achilles. He went to war and all he suffered was a scratch on his armor?
Conan in comparison suffered multiple hits. Besides, it's irrelevant on how strong Conan is. Achilles didn't win his fights by overpowering his opponents. Achilles would just jump around him and use superior skill to kill him.
It just means that he felt his glory would have been tainted he had used it to his advantage.
For instance I could be fighting someone and going all out, but if they trip on something and I let them get back up doesn't mean I was going easy on them before that happened.
Honestly I think Achilles was going all out. Even seems to have a surprise moment on his face when Hector manages to slice his armor.
It was just Hector was out of his league and could only last so long against Achilles before falling.
Originally posted by NewjakI disagree, if you take the context of the fight it seems like Achilles wanted to draw out Hector's defeat(embarrassment) in front of his family and friends for revenge, he did not want to end it quickly. He was stalking his prey and playing with it before finally pouncing. Like Achilles said, "There are no pacts between lions and men."
Just because he didn't want to take advantage off a random event doesn't mean he wasn't going all out with Hector before and after.It just means that he felt his glory would have been tainted he had used it to his advantage.
For instance I could be fighting someone and going all out, but if they trip on something and I let them get back up doesn't mean I was going easy on them before that happened.
Honestly I think Achilles was going all out. Even seems to have a surprise moment on his face when Hector manages to slice his armor.
It was just Hector was out of his league and could only last so long against Achilles before falling.
I think the fact that Hector sliced his armor actually lends credence to my assertion, because after that Achilles took him more seriously and ended the fight shortly after. Hell, even after that Achilles was still just dancing around him with ease.
Anyway, Achilles was comfortably above Hector in every regard and would beat Conan.
Originally posted by Mindset
I disagree, if you take the context of the fight it seems like Achilles wanted to draw out Hector's defeat(embarrassment) in front of his family and friends for revenge, he did not want to end it quickly. He was stalking his prey and playing with it before finally pouncing. Like Achilles said, "There are no pacts between lions and men."I think the fact that Hector sliced his armor actually lends credence to my assertion, because after that Achilles took him more seriously and ended the fight shortly after. Hell, even after that Achilles was still just dancing around him with ease.
Anyway, Achilles was comfortably above Hector in every regard and would beat Conan.
I'd actually think he was fighting to his full ability. Hector tripped, that could have happened to Achilles and it would have ended the fight because Hector would not have given him the same chance to get up because he was simply concerned about surviving. But Achilles wanted the glory. If it was written down that Achilles killed Hector after tripping, that would have made Achilles out to be a coward...does that make sense?
Beyond THAT, Achilles wasn't concerned about the onlookers and he was not trying to torment anyone, he was angry, and wanted to avenge his cousin, but he wasn't mocking Hector or dancing around him or anything, that's just what it looked like. Achilles' cruel words about lions and men was just an inflated ego, his even crueler words about screwing up Hector's eternal afterlife was his diluded mind, misguided hatred for the death of his cousin, a death that left him more conflicted than you realize judging by your assessment of how he was fighting all cocky, he was out to kill, and wasn't feeling, he just thought of himself as a lion his whole life. "I was born, and this is what I am." He was in a baaad place metnally, he wasn't being cocky or braizen during the fight.
Achilles fought like that by nature, as I said before, he fought funky...but he pulled it off 100% of the time.
Wolfgang himself claimed that his Achilles was a stylized fighter, he stalked his prey, he pounced, because his methods were pure swag. He did move and react like a human lion.
Though Comic Book Conan could kill him...🙁
Originally posted by Dolos
I'd actually think he was fighting to his full ability. Hector tripped, that could have happened to Achilles and it would have ended the fight because Hector would not have given him the same chance to get up because he was simply concerned about surviving. But Achilles wanted the glory. If it was written down that Achilles killed Hector after tripping, that would have made Achilles out to be a coward...does that make sense?Beyond THAT, Achilles wasn't concerned about the onlookers and he was not trying to torment anyone, he was angry, and wanted to avenge his cousin, but he wasn't mocking Hector or dancing around him or anything, that's just what it looked like. Achilles' cruel words about lions and men was just an inflated ego, his even crueler words about screwing up Hector's eternal afterlife was his diluded mind, misguided hatred for the death of his cousin, a death that left him more conflicted than you realize judging by your assessment of how he was fighting all cocky, he was out to kill, and wasn't feeling, he just thought of himself as a lion his whole life. "I was born, and this is what I am." He was in a baaad place metnally, he wasn't being cocky or braizen during the fight.
Achilles fought like that by nature, as I said before, he fought funky...but he pulled it off 100% of the time.
Wolfgang himself claimed that his Achilles was a stylized fighter, he stalked his prey, he pounced, because his methods were pure swag. He did move and react like a human lion.
Though Comic Book Conan could kill him...🙁
Disagree. When you watch the fight again, you'll notice that Achilles pauses and poses after some of the hits he does. Like he goes:
Spear jab
pause and pose
Sword slash
pause and pose
Shield bash
run around hector
Those are not the actions of a man who seems to want to end the fight as quickly as possible. Sure I'd agree that Achilles was taking Hector seriously, but I do not think he was trying to end the fight fast, otherwise he would have pressed his attack everytime Hector was stunned from his more powerful attacks. But in most of their fight, every time hector is stunned, Achilles takes that opportunity to strike a pose or walk/run around Hector. Just goes to prove that he really was taking his time with Hector.
Originally posted by FrothByte👆
Disagree. When you watch the fight again, you'll notice that Achilles pauses and poses after some of the hits he does. Like he goes:Spear jab
pause and pose
Sword slash
pause and pose
Shield bash
run around hectorThose are not the actions of a man who seems to want to end the fight as quickly as possible. Sure I'd agree that Achilles was taking Hector seriously, but I do not think he was trying to end the fight fast, otherwise he would have pressed his attack everytime Hector was stunned from his more powerful attacks. But in most of their fight, every time hector is stunned, Achilles takes that opportunity to strike a pose or walk/run around Hector. Just goes to prove that he really was taking his time with Hector.