Originally posted by kgkg
Wait....what only 4 times stronger than Thor? I thought at one time you said Superman was hundreds of time stronger than Thor.Have you changed your mind?
"Even so, both Zod's are roughly equal to Superman in strength and Superman is more than 4x stronger than Thor by feats."
Originally posted by Silent Master
And I'll keep saying it, until you provide feats for Zod that prove he's 4x Thor.Now, What Zod feats place him at x4 Thor in strength?
What are you talking about? I'm asking you different questions.
Are you going to answer this question?
So can you be substantially weaker than Superman and still break his jaw?
Originally posted by h1a8
What are you talking about? I'm asking you different questions.Are you going to answer this question?
So can you be substantially weaker than Superman and still break his jaw?
I'm talking about your claim in regards to Zod's strength.
Now, What Zod feats place him at x4 Thor in strength?
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm talking about your claim in regards to Zod's strength.Now, What Zod feats place him at x4 Thor in strength?
The feat where he breaks Superman jaw. But you don't accept that. So I'm trying to prove that it does show that Zod has more than 4x Thor's strength. But you refuse to answer my question. How can we discuss an issue when you are not willing to discuss?
In your own little way you are trolling. You might not like me and that's cool but I'm more than willing to participate in a sensible discussion, even answer your questions as well.
Originally posted by h1a8
The feat where he breaks Superman jaw. But you don't accept that. So I'm trying to prove that it does show that Zod has more than 4x Thor's strength. But you refuse to answer my question. How can we discuss an issue when you are not willing to discuss?In your own little way you are trolling. You might not like me and that's cool but I'm more than willing to participate in a sensible discussion, even answer your questions as well.
By all means prove it, by posting other feats for Zod that back up your claim that he's 4x Thor in strength.
Originally posted by the DarkoneWhile I am not claiming do be a Zod expert, I would argue that they are not equals. Both of their power sets are based on radiation from Earth's yellow sun correct? Since Clark has been absorbing that radiation longer logically he should be stronger, similar to Hulk and Maestro. I would argue that Clark's holding back strength is equal to Zod's normal strength. I could be wrong, if I am I'm sure H1 will correct me.
Superman and Zod are equals, it's just Zod is willing to kill as where Superman holds back. Superman=Zod=Thor<<<<Kurse who is 4x stronger than Thor and anybody else in his paid grade.Unless zod develop some telepathic abilities, he wont figure out Kurse weakness to Iron, Kurse is highly durable even Beta Ray Bill and Thor w/Belt of Strength couldn't stop him, Kurse is that damn tough and General Zod will wish he never screw with upgraded dark elf in Kurse.
Originally posted by Silent Master
By all means prove it, by posting other feats for Zod that back up your claim that he's 4x Thor in strength.
What does it matter as long as I prove it right?
There are many ways to go about proving things. One way is discussing things to gain a common ground. Without a common ground proof is not possible in your eyes. That's why it's imperative that you answer my questions as I direct them. So that we can get a common basis on which to build or discuss on.
Do you believe Zod had roughly the strength of Superman?
Originally posted by Brockalizer
While I am not claiming do be a Zod expert, I would argue that they are not equals. Both of their power sets are based on radiation from Earth's yellow sun correct? Since Clark has been absorbing that radiation longer logically he should be stronger, similar to Hulk and Maestro. I would argue that Clark's holding back strength is equal to Zod's normal strength. I could be wrong, if I am I'm sure H1 will correct me.
Probably so, but it takes some tremendous strength to break Superman's jaw considering the durability feats Superman has.
Originally posted by kgkg
Ohh okay so do you still think Superman is 100X stronger than Thor?
Well not using average characters. IMO
Average Superman is roughly 4-7 times stronger than average Thor (non holding back strength) and about 2-4 times stronger with holding back strength.
But using high end characters I would say definitely more than 100x stronger.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm going to take your refusal to post strength feats for Zod as a concession.
Why troll me? You are ignoring what I just said and inserting what you want.
Do you want to discuss the issue or not? If not then don't respond to my posts.
Now do you believe that Zod has roughly the strength of Superman?
Originally posted by Silent Master
By all means prove it, by posting other feats for Zod that back up your claim that he's 4x Thor in strength.
I'm curious do you think superman is 4x stronger than Thor?
All this '4xstronger' crap kinda started under the impression that superman was 4xstronger (or more I guess) and that zod somehow equals and/or surpasses superman so he is capable of handling someone Who is in fact 4x Thor in strength.
I ask what you think because even if a zod feat is presented that shows him as supermans equal or better it won't mean squat if you don't think superman is 4x stronger than thor in the first place. (not like such a comparison between Thor and Clark will be stated in a DC comic and is up to opinion more than anything else)
Oh and on the breaking clarks jaw I'm sure someone of lesser strength could break his jaw if they caught him off guard and hit the right spot (like in real life)
Originally posted by the Darkone
👆On top of that Red Zod sucker punch Superman, that's how he broke Superman jaw. That happens in real life fighting situation, when you don't clinched your jaw or brace for the blow, it will get broken, H1!
All the times they fought, it was only the Red Zod the broke Superman jaw by a sucker punch, he didn't even see Red Zod coming.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
I'm curious do you think superman is 4x stronger than Thor?
All this '4xstronger' crap kinda started under the impression that superman was 4xstronger (or more I guess) and that zod somehow equals and/or surpasses superman so he is capable of handling someone Who is in fact 4x Thor in strength.I ask what you think because even if a zod feat is presented that shows him as supermans equal or better it won't mean squat if you don't think superman is 4x stronger than thor in the first place. (not like such a comparison between Thor and Clark will be stated in a DC comic and is up to opinion more than anything else)
Oh and on the breaking clarks jaw I'm sure someone of lesser strength could break his jaw if they caught him off guard and hit the right spot (like in real life)
He didn't brace himself and I'm sure enough power and speed not necessarily upto clarks level applied right could break his jaw. Have no proof, just my opinion.
We also have other evidence as well. After Superman recovers from the broken jaw he engages Zod with gusto. Zod then again bloodies up Superman with ease and is shown to manhandle Superman against his will (choking him). Clearly the writer's intent is that Zod is at least a peer to Superman in strength.
But you are right if Superman is not more than 4x stronger than Thor then the argument fails. But going by feats we clearly understand that Superman is 4x or more stronger than Thor.
Now Thor hitting with Mjolnir creates the illusion that he is in the vicinity of Superman's strength.
Originally posted by h1a8
We also have other evidence as well. After Superman recovers from the broken jaw he engages Zod with gusto. Zod then again bloodies up Superman with ease and is shown to manhandle Superman against his will (choking him). Clearly the writer's intent is that Zod is at least a peer to Superman in strength.But you are right if Superman is not more than 4x stronger than Thor then the argument fails. But going by feats we clearly understand that Superman is 4x or more stronger than Thor.
Now Thor hitting with Mjolnir creates the illusion that he is in the vicinity of Superman's strength.
If you wanna compare strength between superman and Zod you could bring up supermans statement of bizarro's body being stronger than his own and the fact Zod nearly killed him. It could be taken as ABC logic.
The problem here is the Zod your speaking of is Russian Zod. The human who took to calling himself Zod due to some odd plot involving a Pocket universe Zod whispering in his ear or some crap. That Zod is not this Zod. Any feats involving the Red Suit Zod like the above bizarro handling and the mentioned happenings of the jaw breaking and all fights that follow can't be used in this case.
When he broke out of the phantom zone and the new krypton Zod feats are needed and mostly I just remember him being a leader until being eventually beaten by superman.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
If you wanna compare strength between superman and Zod you could bring up supermans statement of bizarro's body being stronger than his own and the fact Zod nearly killed him. It could be taken as ABC logic.The problem here is the Zod your speaking of is Russian Zod. The human who took to calling himself Zod due to some odd plot involving a Pocket universe Zod whispering in his ear or some crap. That Zod is not this Zod. Any feats involving the Red Suit Zod like the above bizarro handling and the mentioned happenings of the jaw breaking and all fights that follow can't be used in this case.
When he broke out of the phantom zone and the new krypton Zod feats are needed and mostly I just remember him being a leader until being eventually beaten by superman.
Correct. I read the our worlds at war arc but don't remember seeing the discussion of the origin of this red suit Zod. Maybe this occurred before or after the arc? Somehow I thought Clark thought he killed Zod but didn't. And this Zod needed the suit to survive because he was badly damaged from that kryptonite incident.
But you are right this Zod is not in the fight. I guess.
Originally posted by h1a8
Correct. I read the our worlds at war arc but don't remember seeing the discussion of the origin of this red suit Zod. Maybe this occurred before or after the arc? Somehow I thought Clark thought he killed Zod but didn't. And this Zod needed the suit to survive because he was badly damaged from that kryptonite incident.But you are right this Zod is not in the fight. I guess.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
(taken form wiki)
This General Zod is a Russian who was affected before his birth by Kryptonite radiation, since he was the son of two cosmonauts whose ship was too close to Kal-El's rocketship. This Zod is unnaturally weak under a yellow sun, but superpowered under a red sun (the opposite of Superman). After his parents died from radiation, he grew up in a KGB laboratory under the name "Zed."[1] Apparently spoken to by the spirit of the Pocket Universe Zod, Russian Zod created a suit of red armor which filtered the sunlight, and declared himself ruler of the fictional former Soviet state of Pokolistan.
Cool.
So we are using white haired Zod then?
Or the Zod that got free from the phantom zone?
Op make a decision.