Originally posted by h1a8it's Thor's magic that Mjolnir works with. without the hammer, he would be no less powerful. he would just be a different character. probably like a physically more powerful Loki.
Thor becomes a peer to Superman because of Mjolnir. Hell without Mjolnir Thor wouldn't be herald status (not even low herald)
Originally posted by Horrificus
it's Thor's magic that Mjolnir works with. without the hammer, he would be no less powerful. he would just be a different character. probably like a physically more powerful Loki.
Thor hammer just controls the flow of Thor powers and abilities better. Thor showed us in Thor Ragnarok, basically killed a powerful brick in Durok without his hammer. Thor is high herald level without the hammer period, and what does Zod has base on feats to compare to Thor, nothing Thor would treat as a threat to earth and he would put a beating on Zod like you never believe, Thor would be willing to Kill Zod if need be as where Superman wouldn't.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Thor without hammer is still elite herald level being, with hammer lo trans level. Feats Thor is by far one of the most herald level beings in comics, versatile and powerful.Kurse owns from beginning to end, Zod doesn't have a chance.
Originally posted by Horrificus
it's Thor's magic that Mjolnir works with. without the hammer, he would be no less powerful. he would just be a different character. probably like a physically more powerful Loki.
Originally posted by the DarkoneNo it doesn't. It channels the Godblast. That's it. Mjolnir has lightning on it's own as shown a billion times over. Yes Thor has some godly energy that he can release without Mjolnir, but it is limited in power and scope.
Thor hammer just controls the flow of Thor powers and abilities better. Thor showed us in Thor Ragnarok, basically killed a powerful brick in Durok without his hammer. Thor is high herald level without the hammer period, and what does Zod has base on feats to compare to Thor, nothing Thor would treat as a threat to earth and he would put a beating on Zod like you never believe, Thor would be willing to Kill Zod if need be as where Superman wouldn't.
Originally posted by h1a8
No he isn't. Even herald level being will decimate Thor without his hammer.
Assuming that Kurse was stronger than Zod then Zod still has other powers, including super speed.No it isn't. Mjlonir has it's own magic from Odin. Thor would be weak as shit without his hammer. Thor would only have some lightning powers (not as well as with Mjolnir though). That's it.
No it doesn't. It channels the Godblast. That's it. Mjolnir has lightning on it's own as shown a billion times over. Yes Thor has some godly energy that he can release without Mjolnir, but it is limited in power and scope.
Mjlonir has better power and with better scope and also more different powers (all because of Odin's enchantment).
Are you slow or you cant comprehended, don't respond to me troll!!
Originally posted by the DarkoneExactly, the hammer has no bearing on his overal strength level. Holding the hammer doesn't allow him to lift more, it channels his magic, just like you said, but H1 is also right in the regard that it increases his striking and can be used defensively. But again like you said, without the hammer he was able to kill Durok, he was also able to hurt Juggernaut with fist strikes.
Thor hammer just controls the flow of Thor powers and abilities better. Thor showed us in Thor Ragnarok, basically killed a powerful brick in Durok without his hammer. Thor is high herald level without the hammer period, and what does Zod has base on feats to compare to Thor, nothing Thor would treat as a threat to earth and he would put a beating on Zod like you never believe, Thor would be willing to Kill Zod if need be as where Superman wouldn't.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Exactly, the hammer has no bearing on his overal strength level. Holding the hammer doesn't allow him to lift more, it channels his magic, just like you said, but H1 is also right in the regard that it increases his striking and can be used defensively. But again like you said, without the hammer he was able to kill Durok, he was also able to hurt Juggernaut with fist strikes.
He didn't damage Juggs and that writer tied Juggs durability into his force field.
Thus taking away Juggs force field takes away his durability (or most of it).
We know Thor is very strong, but that's not enough to enter herald status.
The number 1 requirement (not the only one though) is
1. Defense or counter to being bfred to space.
Originally posted by h1a8
We know Thor is very strong, but that's not enough to enter herald status.
The number 1 requirement (not the only one though) is1. Defense or counter to being bfred to space.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Exactly, the hammer has no bearing on his overal strength level. Holding the hammer doesn't allow him to lift more, it channels his magic, just like you said, but H1 is also right in the regard that it increases his striking and can be used defensively. But again like you said, without the hammer he was able to kill Durok, he was also able to hurt Juggernaut with fist strikes.
When Thor used his hammer to cut Juggernaut off from Cyttorak enchantment, basically making juggy force filed go bye bye, and Thor hit Juggernaut so hard Juggy's helmet got obliterated, they where trading hay-makers and Thor getting the best of him, Thor almost decapitate Juggy head if it wasn't for Cyttorak enchantment came back in the nick of time.
Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't damage Juggs and that writer tied Juggs durability into his force field.
Thus taking away Juggs force field takes away his durability (or most of it).
We know Thor is very strong, but that's not enough to enter herald status.
The number 1 requirement (not the only one though) is1. Defense or counter to being bfred to space.
Originally posted by BrockalizerHulk isn't herald level since he can be knocked into space at any time during a fight.
ANYONE can be bfr-ed into space if facing an opponent significantly more powerful. Hulk is herald level, but there isn't a doubt in my mind that Zeus couldn't have put him into orbit if he wanted too, or if Odin or Borr were animating the Destroyer I don't doubt that Morg, Terrax, or Surfer would see a similar result. Do you honestly believe that Parallax, Specter, or Superboy Prime couldn't do the same to Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Doomsday or possibly even Superman if they REALLY wanted too.
Herald=angel like