Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
I...I'm siding with Quanchi. God help me. I liked Genisys too.
Again missing the point. Quan supported a sequel after other bad sequels, which is what he's complaining about me now.
But seriously what's wrong with some of you guys? Genysis sucked. Wrong tone for the franchise, bad acting, bad portrayals of classic characters and one big ass stupid plot twist.
Originally posted by Patient_Leech
You really are clueless aren't you? WB doesn't give a shit as long as it makes money. BvS, despite being a massive PoS, made massive amounts of money. I mean, I'm sure they'd still like to have well-received films, yes, but they don't care enough at this point to fire the person who has already sort of established the first few films. But if it ever becomes unprofitable... you'd better believe Snyder would be out on his retarded-storytelling-ass in a split second.
It made money, but so did the first Star Trek film in 1979 despite the disappointing reaction it got. And it wasn't anywhere near a Star Wars level box office event. When Star Trek came back in the next sequel in 1982, it was completed retooled behind the camera.
I think DC & Warners rightly should have expected an Avengers level box office sensation for BvS; the first ever live action meeting of the big two (which turned out to be a meeting of the big trinity) that's what I would have thought. But they didn't get it right behind the scenes, and it fell far short of that tentpole expectation, for both fans and media.
But instead of retooling, they just carried on despite the obvious dents and scars on the luxury model, claiming there's nothing to see here. 🙄
Originally posted by quanchi112
Great point. D. Thor just admitted despite the shit quality he will watch it no matter what. D. Thor loves DC above all other franchises and he can't wait until they get a great film so he can bandwagon it.
I may watch just once, for the sake of curiosity. That's a big difference from seeing Avengers and other Marvel films multiple times, and buying the blu-ray when it comes out.
Originally posted by roughrider
It made money, but so did the first Star Trek film in 1979 despite the disappointing reaction it got. And it wasn't anywhere near a Star Wars level box office event. When Star Trek came back in the next sequel in 1982, it was completed retooled behind the camera.I think DC & Warners rightly should have expected an Avengers level box office sensation for BvS; the first ever live action meeting of the big two (which turned out to be a meeting of the big trinity) that's what I would have thought. But they didn't get it right behind the scenes, and it fell far short of that tentpole expectation, for both fans and media.
But instead of retooling, they just carried on despite the obvious dents and scars on the luxury model, claiming there's nothing to see here. 🙄
I might agree with you, but I keep telling people, times have changed. Superman is still the most well known super hero in the world (MAYBE, Spider-Man is probably #1 at this point), but that doesn't translate into big box office. I've met a lot of people that say they don't care for big name characters, but small characters, which is one of the reasons GOTG and SS did so well.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Again missing the point. Quan supported a sequel after other bad sequels, which is what he's complaining about me now.But seriously what's wrong with some of you guys? Genysis sucked. Wrong tone for the franchise, bad acting, bad portrayals of classic characters and one big ass stupid plot twist.
I dunno. It's the mostly the same reason I liked Jurassic World, while recognizing the 1st film was still the best; the sequels after just happened to make World look better by comparison. Even then, I found plenty of people were ungrateful for JW, but was glad it still did pretty well.
Different strokes I guess. Far be it from me to complain about you supporting a sequel after other bad sequels though; that's where me and (presumably) the others differ from quan. I mean if the DCEU ever gets a film that resonates well with most, I'd be happy. It's not like I want said universe to be shit, much as I may shit on mostly everything it's had so far.
^ Seems like it took a few conditions for you to like/appreciate Genysis lol. Which is fair enough.
But hey after being such a massive fan of the first 2, (like my fav films ever after Star Wars), I'll still give each new Terminator reboot/sequel a chance, but just go in with less and less expectations. Same with the DC Universe. In fact pretty sure most people here will see JL at least once. But without Fan Hype supporting it, these films will never do as well as they should. Hence BvS not hitting a Billion. So WB do want and need the fan hype. Because if fans are just unenthusiasticly watching the films only once, then they will never make the kind of profits Marvel films make, and the kind even Nolan's solo Batman films made.
Quan's just always jumping in to attack me over anything because he'll never get over how badly I've embarrassed him in past debates. And also yeah, he actually Wants Dc films to be crapfests and to fail. And tbh I'm actually a bigger Marvel movie fan than him anyway. Kevin Feige really doesn't mind if Marvel fans also watch Dc films in between the Marvel releases Lol
Originally posted by roughrider
I may watch just once, for the sake of curiosity. That's a big difference from seeing Avengers and other Marvel films multiple times, and buying the blu-ray when it comes out.
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Originally posted by Zack M
I might agree with you, but I keep telling people, times have changed. Superman is still the most well known super hero in the world (MAYBE, Spider-Man is probably #1 at this point), but that doesn't translate into big box office. I've met a lot of people that say they don't care for big name characters, but small characters, which is one of the reasons GOTG and SS did so well.
Yeah that's true, but what you seem to keep ignoring is that Marvel is the one that's changed the landscape due to consistently pouring out quality films with lesser known names.
But that's no excuse for BvS not to hit the Billion mark. It had a very poor multiplier due to poor WOM.
And talking of big names, when it comes to Spider-Man, even its lowest grossing film grossed considerably more than MOS, and now Spider-Man:Homecoming has more social media chat then Justice League does.
So we'll see what happens by year end, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Homecoming is more successful than JL.
Yeah, "like" is a strong word for Genysis. Some of it was okay, some was painful. So I certainly didn't like it.
And then after it was done I had already pretty much forgotten it.
Emilia Clarke was a terrible Sarah Connor. That was just bad casting, especially needing to fill the shoes of the perfectly cast Linda Hamilton.
Originally posted by Patient_Leechshit, Lena Headey was a better Sarah Connor in that tv show than Emilia Clarke was in Genisys.
Yeah, "like" is a strong word for Genysis. Some of it was okay, some was painful. So I certainly didn't like it.And then after it was done I had already pretty much forgotten it.
Emilia Clarke was a terrible Sarah Connor. That was just bad casting, especially needing to fill the shoes of the perfectly cast Linda Hamilton.