Voldemort vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Started by quanchi11294 pages

Originally posted by Bentley
People don't come here to swift through your old discussions Quan, either bring the feats or stop posting 😉
People are free to believe how they want. You can't demand that someone posts a feat you are too ignorant to know about yourself. Stew in your ignorance and stop posting.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Show me a vampire tanking a rocket launcher. Also lol @ the idea of a standard RPG being more destructive than an angry Goron. Cutscenes and canon events show Link to be extremely durable. Gameplay mechanics are noncanon. This is simple. Even if Link's enemies can hurt Link, that would make them strong, not Link weak, since Link's durability is thoroughly established.

tldr: your argument basically assumes Zelda's mooks are > Edgington. haermm

Gameplay shows he can be hurt by far less and the axe right after that scene. Goats can knock him on his ass. Russell is greater than anyone in the game and is far faster than anyone Link's ever come into contact with.

Originally posted by BloodRain
When did I say immunity in that sentence? I emphasized the word 'survive'.
Link can 'survive' hits from a guy w/axe who is stronger than Russell. To use your example it would be like you shrugging off a boxers punch only to be attacked by a kid. And yes the scale fits as tipping a 5mph small car << knocking a mini-elephant at swinging speed.
If Link can shrug off those hits, Russell's odds of getting a one-hit KO are..?

And Link =/= those normal humans.

That guy isn't stronger than Russell. Russell can palm cars with no effort. You have no proof the car was going 5 mph. More speculation. Russell wouldn't ko him he'd slap his head off.

Link's been hurt by far less.
His skin is soft.


So he needed to get Roman into a position to kill him, even though he can decapitate vamps? He needed to get into a position with Fairy to bite her after she stood there and shot at him twice, even though he's much faster than her? What about allowing Bill to get within staking range before defending? Burning Bill's face before going to kill him?.. When in the fights start has he ever gone right for the kill? You want to talk in character, talk in character; Russell doesn't instantly go to kill Link who will draw his sword right awar, as per their characters. [/B]
Russell has shown the strength to slap vampires heads off. Just because he chose a different kill method doesn't mean it's the only one. The show would get rather boring if the creators had him slapping every dissenters head off every time. He could barely control himself just by the smell of her. That isn't Russell in his normal state of mind. You can tell how crazy he's going just by smelling this land of faeries.

Yes, he does. You wanting to act like he doesn't is just to sell your argument. I don't need more than a few examples in order to claim the tactic. Russell also knew his enemies and that Bill wasn't a threat to him. He doesn't know Link so he won't be moseying around.


Haha what? The vid is right there. Even if you want to ignore the numbers you can't ignore that compared to Link that's a sizeable area of light surrounding him, several times larger than Link himself. Ignore the numbers, the area of light is still there. [/B]
Russell kills him before his sword is drawn.

I see you ignored the jason Stackhouse wasn't looking argument. If jason sees someone fire a gun he isn't going to be fast enough to react either way. Vampire speed is faster than this so Link clearly dies.

The car was going incredibly slowly and he only rocked it on its' suspension, that is a pathetic feat, Bulbin is stronger, and when he hit Link with an axe Link was unhurt. Provide a feat for Russell that will let him hurt Link.

Support your own argument.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The car was going incredibly slowly and he only rocked it on its' suspension, that is a pathetic feat, Bulbin is stronger, and when he hit Link with an axe Link was unhurt. Provide a feat for Russell that will let him hurt Link.

Support your own argument.

Easily palming a moving car while Link needs to brace to stop a charging goat. Russell easily kills someone who needs to brace for a worthless goat.

Russell>>>goat>Link.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So now an abstract being means you are strong ? Wrong.

Right. Are you retarded? He's put on the same level as Eternity.

That's just a title. When did Galactus mandhandle Thor physically ?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst3.jpg

By your logic feats means he can't hurt him since Glads can punch planets into dust. That's how stupid your feat mongering is. It always has been. You are a follower of the vs gamers who seem to be in the stone age of evolution.

Wolverine has feats of cutting people on or above Gladiator's level, like Thor or Thanos. Russel has not harmed or fought anyone with feats or portrayals on Link's level.

Do try to be less retarded in the future.

Videogames have all kinds of different people working on them and don't need to have everything add up. It's about making money and creating drama. You really lack a fundmental understanding when it comes to fiction in general.

There is a specific team (Or even one dude) who works on the story. Who dictates what the characters can do.

You're a dumb animal and a coward.

Wolverine isn't anywhere near as strong as Gladiator yet he can cut him. Mere goats can knock Link on his ass. Now you want me to assume a superstrong 3,000 vampire can't faze Link ? It's absurd and ridiculous.

Wolverine has monomolecular blades that ignore durability. Russel does not. Try harder next time fatass.

Those goats are stronger than Russel. 👆 Bigger and heavier too.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Right. Are you retarded? He's put on the same level as Eternity.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e101/Soujaboy/Thor%20Feats/ThorvsGalactusfirst3.jpg

No, he isn't on Eternity's level. The ig made that very clear. So a scan of a giant hand grabbing a much smaller thor is proof of what; exactly ? If I pick up an ant am I really showing off my strength ? This is one of the saddest displays I have seen this week. Watch me pick up this 5 pound weight. Look how strong I am.


Wolverine has feats of cutting people on or above Gladiator's level, like Thor or Thanos. Russel has not harmed or fought anyone with feats or portrayals on Link's level.[/B]
Russell has shown himself to be faster than bullet timers and to be beyond them in a fair fight. You ignore certain feats and the whole feat type mentality when it suits you. Gladiator's feats blow Wolverine's out of the water but that doesn't make him unable to hurt gladiator, kid.

Do try to be less retarded in the future.[/B]
You said earlier Galactus is stronger than Thor based off of him pikcing Thor up. What a strength feat for Galactus!!!!! Portrayal wise Galactus is well above Thor and makes him look like a shit stain. You feat worshippers are like someone in elementary level in school.

There is a specific team (Or even one dude) who works on the story. Who dictates what the characters can do.

You're a dumb animal and a coward.[/B]

They aren't even consistent in their own games. Fiction doesn't have to add up. It's all in someone's mind so realistically it doesn't need to match the laws of physics.

Wolverine has monomolecular blades that ignore durability. Russel does not. Try harder next time fatass.

Those goats are stronger than Russel. 👆 Bigger and heavier too. [/B]

So a gaot that can knock Link on his ass is stronger than Russell iyo ? You are a fool of the highest caliber. Deep down I like this about you. You are stupid and are no threat to anyone save yourself. Russell rips hearts out and palms cars while a goat can knock some inexperienced kid on his ass. No big deal.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Easily palming a moving car while Link needs to brace to stop a charging goat. Russell easily kills someone who needs to brace for a worthless goat.

Russell>>>goat>Link.

Goron > Goat > Car.

Provide a better feat. "palming" lol, he wiggled it a little. It was barely moving, try harder.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Goron > Goat > Car.

Provide a better feat. "palming" lol, he wiggled it a little. It was barely moving, try harder.

Show me a goat doing anything strength wise to argue he is greater than Russell. Russell would also overpower a Goron as well if Bo and Link can do so.

Stopping a moving car with ease is greater than getting knocked on your ass by a goat if you don't use the proper technique.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Show me a goat doing anything strength wise to argue he is greater than Russell. Russell would also overpower a Goron as well if Bo and Link can do so.

Stopping a moving car with ease is greater than getting knocked on your ass by a goat if you don't use the proper technique.


Russell overpowering a goron is pure fantasy haermm

^
See above.

Using circular logic to support your bias is not a valid argument. So, like I keep telling you, provide a feat that would let Russell hurt Link. He didn't easily stop a car, he was in front of a car that was stopping, and put his hand on it. It was pathetic.

And the truth is, even if he had, it wouldn't be enough, so why do you keep bringing this up? Russell is not nearly as strong as a Goron, let alone Link.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Russell overpowering a goron is pure fantasy haermm

^
See above.

Using circular logic to support your bias is not a valid argument. So, like I keep telling you, provide a feat that would let Russell hurt Link. He didn't easily stop a car, he was in front of a car that was stopping, and put his hand on it. It was pathetic.

And the truth is, even if he had, it wouldn't be enough, so why do you keep bringing this up? Russell is not nearly as strong as a Goron, let alone Link.

So now you want to pretend his feat was pathetic ie. like you could do it ?

Lifting strength isn't the same thing. If someone can lift 500 pounds that doesn't mean they can destroy the barbells themselves. Russell punches through chests/through bone etc. in direct combat. A lifting competition is silly.

Bo and Link both pwned Gorons with boots. Weak people. Russell would solo the entire Goron population.

The boots don't make Link stronger, only heavier. Link physically overpowered Dangoro, Fyrus, and the Goron elders with his strength, something Russell could never do. Their feats speak for themselves.

Hulk was able to knock Superman on his ass when he wasnt paying attention. But when he is ready for it not even Hulk could make him budge. Is see a goat knocking Link down as the same thing. Didnt expect it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That guy isn't stronger than Russell. Russell can palm cars with no effort. You have no proof the car was going 5 mph. More speculation. Russell wouldn't ko him he'd slap his head off. Link's been hurt by far less. His skin is soft.

Car velocity is reduced 15ft/s per second(fact), Sookie breaks for 3s(fact).. speed drop is 30mph(fact). The only guess is how fast she was before, by the vid its reaching to assume she's going above 30mph. Saying its moving at 5mph is actually be being generous.

1970's Honda Civic = 680 kg = 0.75 tons. Not even a ton. Plus requiring less force to tip than lift. (Compare tipping up a coach, one hand, to lifting up the entire thing)
Russell's casual feat was in the half ton range.

A riding horse weighs 600 kg. The Bullbos are taller and much, much thicker than a horse. Lord Bullbo, the one Bulbin knocked over, is larger than the normal ones.

Small car < Bulbo < Lord Bulbo.
The force of tipping < force of lifting < force of smacking.
No doubt Bulbin is stronger, and we can get to this conclusion without any 'speculations' to get in the way.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Russell has shown the strength to slap vampires heads off. Just because he chose a different kill method doesn't mean it's the only one. The show would get rather boring if the creators had him slapping every dissenters head off every time. He could barely control himself just by the smell of her. That isn't Russell in his normal state of mind. You can tell how crazy he's going just by smelling this land of faeries.
Yes, he does. You wanting to act like he doesn't is just to sell your argument. I don't need more than a few examples in order to claim the tactic. Russell also knew his enemies and that Bill wasn't a threat to him. He doesn't know Link so he won't be moseying around.
Russell kills him before his sword is drawn.

Yet he opted for a slower, more vulnerable method.

Show me Russell in a confrontation he wants to kill and does so instantly after deciding to. There's killing the news guy, except we don't know how long he was contemplating it and the same goes for that vamp, he had the thought in his head already. Show me those examples where he goes from wanting to kill to execution.
Toyed with Bill, toyed with Bill again, position with Roman, position with Fairy. Ad in wanting to kill Eric furiously yet decided to talk to him, and when finding the reason he slowly goes to kill.. and we have 5 examples against with so far none for.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see you ignored the jason Stackhouse wasn't looking argument. If jason sees someone fire a gun he isn't going to be fast enough to react either way. Vampire speed is faster than this so Link clearly dies.

Ignored? All you did was ask about a human and a gun, didn't really make a point to it. Yes Russell's speed 3x faster than Link (given his arrow speed), like saying a human couldn't even react to a car coming at them at 55mph. Seeing as drawing a sword is the only action needed...

Speaking of ignore, you're ignoring both the argument and the fact that the light shines in a wide area around Link. Undeniable, and just saying he doesn't get to draw doesn't negate this fact.

Plus you arguments have started to regressed back to the 'Russell kills Link' lines again..

(Finished season 3, I can see why you've taken a shine to Russell.. a shame I know his fate :c)

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Hulk was able to knock Superman on his ass when he wasnt paying attention. But when he is ready for it not even Hulk could make him budge. Is see a goat knocking Link down as the same thing. Didnt expect it.

couldnt*

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The boots don't make Link stronger, only heavier. Link physically overpowered Dangoro, Fyrus, and the Goron elders with his strength, something Russell could never do. Their feats speak for themselves.
Link needs to be heavier unlike Russell. Link can't just do it on his own. He is a gear whore. He will be dying in the battlezone and when you see which character I will have kill him you zelda backers will be shamed.

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Hulk was able to knock Superman on his ass when he wasnt paying attention. But when he is ready for it not even Hulk could make him budge. Is see a goat knocking Link down as the same thing. Didnt expect it.
Link isn't caught off guard he just needs the proper technique. That's a difference in what you just said.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link needs to be heavier unlike Russell. Link can't just do it on his own. He is a gear whore. He will be dying in the battlezone and when you see which character I will have kill him you zelda backers will be shamed.
No, Russell could not, ever, even with the iron boots, stop a moving Goron. haermm He lacks the feats, he isn't strong enough, and he's not durable enough to avoid being crushed to death by it.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Car velocity is reduced 15ft/s per second(fact), Sookie breaks for 3s(fact).. speed drop is 30mph(fact). The only guess is how fast she was before, by the vid its reaching to assume she's going above 30mph. Saying its moving at 5mph is actually be being generous.

1970's Honda Civic = 680 kg = 0.75 tons. Not even a ton. Plus requiring less force to tip than lift. (Compare tipping up a coach, one hand, to lifting up the entire thing)
Russell's casual feat was in the [b]half ton range.
[/B]

Speculation. The impressiveness was the relative ease to which he accomplished this task.

A riding horse weighs 600 kg. The Bullbos are taller and much, much thicker than a horse. Lord Bullbo, the one Bulbin knocked over, is larger than the normal ones.

Small car < Bulbo < Lord Bulbo.
The force of tipping < force of lifting < force of smacking.
No doubt Bulbin is stronger, and we can get to this conclusion without any 'speculations' to get in the way.[/B]

Speculation. Russell rips people's hearts out with his bare hands. That's a functional manner in which he uses his strength in a fight unlike your lifting strength.

Yet he opted for a slower, more vulnerable method.

Show me Russell in a confrontation he wants to kill and does so instantly after deciding to. There's killing the news guy, except we don't know how long he was contemplating it and the same goes for that vamp, he had the thought in his head already. Show me those examples where he goes from wanting to kill to execution.
Toyed with Bill, toyed with Bill again, position with Roman, position with Fairy. Ad in wanting to kill Eric furiously yet decided to talk to him, and when finding the reason he slowly goes to kill.. and we have 5 examples against with so far none for.[/B]

He put Roman in a vulnerable position. Russell toyed with Bill and knew he wasn't a problem. Entirely different. Eric and he have history. He also put aside his difference for the chance to walk in the sun. That isn't avaliable here. Link won't have that luxury. I have given enough examples in which he kills or puts his enemy in a vulnerable position in which they cannot defend themselves.

Ignored? All you did was ask about a human and a gun, didn't really make a point to it. Yes Russell's speed 3x faster than Link (given his arrow speed), like saying a human couldn't even react to a car coming at them at 55mph. Seeing as drawing a sword is the only action needed...[/B]
Russell's speed is beyong a human's comprehension. Unlike watching Link draw a sword which is vastly slower.

Speaking of ignore, you're ignoring both the argument and the fact that the light shines in a wide area around Link. Undeniable, and just saying he doesn't get to draw doesn't negate this fact.

Plus you arguments have started to regressed back to the 'Russell kills Link' lines again..

(Finished season 3, I can see why you've taken a shine to Russell.. a shame I know his fate :c) [/B]

Link needs to initially use his sword to clear the area.

I have never abandoned this train of thought. You can pretend I did but I clearly have not.

Oh see I hate this. You really are just catching onto him and yet have debated anyways. I hate that sort of arguing without a knowledge on the character. Season 5 he is far better than season 3.

Arguing without knowledge on the character? You mean like you, *gasp* always do?