BloodRain
Knight of Retribution
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. I also realize that twilight magic was a specific response to Hyrule that cannot happen to any other universe. I have always laughed when others have so clung to this bs. The light arrows were obviously not very powerful since the master sword killed him.
2. Pain is a mental attack. There's no real threat to the body as it just tortures unlike real pain whose function is to warn the individual. They need to show mental or magical resistance IMO. You believe otherwise but you argue for characters without knowing about the opposition which is the definition of bias and ignorance.
3. Everything is an unknown why we see Link outside the castle. Every moment is an unknown until we see the castle go down. You are free to believe Ganondorf lit a giant firecracker to destroy the castle but it all falls under speculation.
It isn't a stronger blade its functions strength is directly related to evil. We see its strong enough to cancel out the top and Dorfs connection. That's all we know but I've never been impressed with the top anyways. I also wouldn't say stronger but just stronger against evil opponents it connects with. We don't know he can tank an explosion since his whereabouts are speculative at best.
He survived impalement because the top resisted the effects of it. The hole in his chest wasn't gone. He wasn't immune to swords he just resisted death when it occurred. He was impaled the next time a sword drove into his flesh but couldn't resist because of the swords properties. That's all. Specific magic kills him as well since he can't overcome specific magic.
1. Your remark has nothing to do with my post: "you realize that the Triforce pieces are the single thing that protects the individuals from Twilight magic, right?" The Triforce grants this protection from that magic. Counter? The light arrows are empowered by the 4 light spirits, the same 4 that are the only things keeping the entire land safe from Twilight. They are both powerful and greatly effective against evil.. making two feats of magic resistance.
Then we have Dorf only being able to possess Zelda when she gave up her triforce.
2. Except that the things that trigger perception of pain come from an input outside of the brain. Effecting any of the stimuli will trigger pain.
And then it goes to the fact that its causing pain on a human level. Its been described as white-hot knives stabbing all over, twice by humans. Why are we to assume that it will inflict more pain on Ganondorf than whats been described? Because pain like that wont cause him anything like how a human reacts to it. The Tonk's were able to resist the Curse for hours, proven humans can begin resisting it to some extent. And if they can, Ganondorf will.
You sound annoyed, don't be.
3. Occam's Razor, we have no reason to make assumptions based on nothing, so things like firecrackers or teleporting which would need further info we do not have can be thrown out. The single thing we know about it is that Midna attacked Ganondorf. Not right to assume more.
Link's knights sword is physically weaker than the Goddess Sword, and its only physically as at this point as the GS has no enhancements on it. When infused with Farore's Flame it is, again, physically strengthened. Made longer and sharper to do more damage. Its only until the final flame that it gains any magical strength, filling it with a 'sacred white light' that makes the blade stronger and more damaging to evil beings, with the later goddess blessing that gives it the full anti-evil power... Basically a normal sword < goddess sword < goddess longsword in purely physical strength only, not magical effects or power. The sword is powerful even without anti-evil or sacred powers.
-Stated to be a good deal physically stronger than a normal blade, from the GSs base form to two flames increasing physical strength.
-Stronger taking into consideration its backed by Link's strength.
-Blade is filled with sacred light and blessed by a strong deity to be anti-evil.
Ganondorf must be weakened from this blades strikes to be finally stopped by impalement. You can't compare a human being harmed by a regular, non-empowered sword from human strength to what Dorf is able to take (take) here.
'Survive' being the main word here. He survived not only a fatal wound but an attack that either killed him or brought him to the brink of death to die in that moment, and the ToP brought him back and allowed him to survive this fatal encounter.
Originally posted by quanchi112
4. The shield took massive force before being destroyed by Tom's all out blast. Ganondorf nor can anyone in Zelda tank what the shield took prior to Tom's all out attack.
5. Strength of a character has nothing to do with it unless they have magical resistance. The stronger a Potter human is has nothing to do with resisting the spell. One needs magical counter, resistance, or an obstacle preventing the blast from hitting them since it isn't durability based.
Black hole is a durability attack unlike the Av. You don't need any proof despite your horrible logic that it can kill Dorf if all we see is it kill humans so you're wrong on all accounts any way you slice the pie.
Humans who has magical powers aren't regular humans. The attack isn't a durability one since the body remains free of harm outside death.
4. Massive force being that large number of can-throw-humans-20ft blasts? Its durability would only be above what the shield can take, which in power is an individual hit. Punch a rock til it breaks, the number you'll need will be far above the damage needed to break it in one hit. The only way the number would mean anything is if the durability of it was being worn down from them, and not it just being above their level of power.
Even better-> Just watched the scene and if you pause right before his attack hits the shield we can see that its already breaking down :T So Tom destroyed a shield that those human-throwing leveled blasts were breaking down.
5. You didn't answer the question. Can it take down that planetary sized character or a universal powered one?
So bringing up the black hold was pointless as it fits in perfectly with how I debate as it comes with feats? Black Hole >>> planet buster > Ganondorf by feats and known facts on the two.. in your eyes is it horrible logic to base things on known facts? All this did was highlight that you have yet to define limits for AK.
I don't recall a wizard having magical defences when not purposely making one besides specialized certain cases, meaning they're comparable to humans when not using magic. Unlike Dorf, who has active magical resistance, who has far more powerful magic and whose level of pain would outright kill any human.