BloodRain
Knight of Retribution
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. Wrong. Hyrule is a land of balance. Our world is one of balance... Just as there is light to drive away darkness,
so, too, is there benevolence to banish evil. Only a specific attack in Hyrule. That's all it has ever been.
Dorf was able to possess her because she was unconscious.
2. There is no real pain or threat to the body its magic simulating unbelievable agony. Dorf and Link feel pain and have no resistance to the attack. Simple.
They can't resist it hurts. Someone might not give up info but they still feel a constant agony. Dorf would react in the same manner. Everyone who,feels it as at the mercy of the wizard. If you feel someone can not be at the wizards mercy prove it with an example.
Don't tell me how to feel.
3. We don't know where either were when the castle fell. People survive buildings falling and we don't say human >>building. Same cannot be said here. Coulda been right place right time.
We see the master sword parried in the game easily. It's a counter to evil and dispels magic. That's it. It doesn't rip through other blades. Dorf can survive more damage yes but a sword cuts into his skin just like a persons. That's my point.
While the hole remained. If he can't heal the holes then logically enough hole means he dies. If specific magic can dispel his magic specific magic logically can also kill him. He can survive normal blade damage if enough of his body remains intact; within reason.
1. You're talking about Twilight, yet not about the Triforce allowing them to resist its effects. The only thing that lets the three survive Twilight is this power.
Didn't answer the Light Spirits point either. These spirits push back a land full of Twilight, and the mere presence of one was able to throw Midna into critical state. A single on has strong anti-evil/dark/nasty holy light powers, all four combined empowered the Light Arrows that temporarily stun Ganondorf.
..from expelling the ToW from her body.
2. Simulating pain by triggering stimuli? Doesn't have to be real damage, just the feeling they alert.
Yet they were able to take it for hours without buckling from will alone. Why are we to assume that it will inflict more pain on Ganondorf than whats been described?
Aw 🙁 Question: After the pain curse, what then? A Wizard has to be using the spell, and when they stop doing to the spell stops. We know characters like the Tonk's were only a little shook up from being tortured for hours, so assuming Dorf does in fact feel pain, given how fast he comes back after pain the only thing leftover would be a twitch and pissed off Dorf and a Tom thats been using magic for hours.
3. Humans can survive in the sense that if a wall, ceiling or a certain amount of weight lands on them they will live, but be injured or put into critical condition. Differences from this? First if that Dorf was not put into any condition. Second is that it wasn't falling walls of brick.. it was an explosive event that make a stone castle with thick rock walls erupt while being at the centre of it.
The only instance where a sword has parried the MS is from Ganondorf, a character with (in that very scene) strength in Link's class, and with a weapon forged by magical sages. Remember when its used to slice through thick armour? See, now you're going against canon. The Goddess Sword is stronger than a normal sword. The first Sacred Flame only makes the Sword physically stronger. The Sword only gets anti-evil powers after the third Sacred Flame, which also increases its physical damage. You can deny its stronger than a sword all you like but its canon.
Even surviving slashes before the anti-evil magic is impressive and above human levels. Surviving it from this sword with the holy enhancements boosts the difference from what a human can take. Nothing to compare.
The hole remains cause it was formed before the ToP, which means nothing as he still survived a fatal, killing strike. The ToP allowed him to survive an attack that killed him. And note this line; "If specific magic can dispel his magic specific magic logically can also kill him" Whats the key word there? "Specific magic". That specific magic is that of the Master Sword's anti-evil powers. The specific magic here is the Sacred Light from the Sacred Flames meshed with the holy blessing from Goddess Hylia to resist evil.
-The MS's specific magic is anti-evil, twice blessed from powerful beings, full of holy properties.
-The AK's specific magic is causing death. Something the ToP has already allowed him to overcome.
It took a specific, and powerful magic to do this to Ganondorf. And the AK does not have this specific power.
Originally posted by quanchi112
4. Voldemort can easily break strong with a force blast. He does so to Dumbledore's tomb.
It was damaged and we clearly see a different effect take place when Voldemort blasts the shield showing an immediate impact. They aren't humans they are wizards either.
5. Power level is immaterial since the attacks don't effect the durability. It's like saying Professor Xavier can't mind wreck someone power of a power level. Everything of your board is strength/power means king. Silly.
Your logic only has to do with physical durability based attacks. Nonsense. It also ignores the it only killed humans which is your logic in a nutshell. They were wizards too not muggles.
They aren't comparable to humans since they are wizards. Magic is what makes them unique and not human aka muggle.
This has nothing to do with durability based attacks. Master sword dispels tops magic showing specific magic works against its wielder.
4. Doesn't matter if they're humans or wizards when the point is about the weight thrown around.
Yeah, he broke a shield that was already breaking apart. Its power is clearly above the singles, but the feat is coming from what it did. And on that, using magic with that power breaks the EW and causes him to ricochet and stop. IIRC the second time he used a powerful spell (more intense than usual) with it it finally snapped. Two or more chances to use magic at this strength wouldn't be so bad if the consequence wasn't being reduced to his non-EW magic.
5. Yeah I didn't quite get an answer; Planetary sized creature and a guy that tanks Universe busting attacks, will the AK kill them for their low-level killing capabilities, yay or nay? Basically what I'm still waiting for is for you to give me the limits of AK's power.
Pointless then. Its killing capabilities is to end human life. If being a wizard means anything, as you seem to always be inferring, then we can look at the magical level of wizards and Dorf. Or we can compare the fact that unlike these wizards, Dorf has a perma-resistance offered by the Triforce, a type of magic that allowed him to survive being killed.
And speaking of magical resistance, love has been stated to be a magic that can defend from and even deflect AK. This proves that powerful protective magic can resist AK. And thats exactly what the Triforce offers.
To speak nothing about the vast difference physically and magically between them, both Harry and Ganondorf have really powerful magical protections. Love and the Triforce which have both proven to be very powerful, both proven to protect the two and both have been proven so save them from death situations.