Achilles(Troy) vs. Link(TP) in a sword fight

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link's immune to swords being used by people below a certain strength level. Achilles is [b]far beneath that level.
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Here he shoots arrows with enough force to destroy a diamond/gem, and then proves himself not only capable of moving Fyrus' multi-ton mass, but overpowering him to pull his feet out from under him.

YouTube video Here Link stops Dangoro's 60-ish ton mass in motion without being crushed or even harmed, then lifts and throws him like a ragdoll.

This is the beginning of Link's quest, while he's still so weak that OoT Link considers him 'unworthy of the proud green of the tunic he wears'. haermm

You done? [/B]

Link needed his boots for that to be possible. Again no feats to suggest he is immune to swords. Just like I stated. Please try and prove something you are beginning to embarrass yourself again.

And the strength to shoot a bow comes from where, Quan? Think, boy, think.

Spoiler:
The strength of his arms.

Do the boots make him stronger?

And just like I said, Achilles is not strong enough to hurt Link, even with a sword.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And the strength to shoot a bow comes from where, Quan? Think, boy, think.

Spoiler:
The strength of his arms.

[b]Do the boots make him stronger?

And just like I said, Achilles is not strong enough to hurt Link, even with a sword. [/B]

The boots make the feat possible.

You haven't proven Link's immune to swords. You have made the baseless claim for years without proof.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zant defeated him. Midna aids him all quest long. You can pretend she doesn't but I have already established you are a massive fanboy. I will smite thee. You forgot the boots and the ball and chain while listing outside weapons yourself, fanboy.

Watch the skill he uses in the film when he overtakes the beach, his spear throws, or his battles in general. If you don't think he exhibits skill then you don't know the meaning of the word.

You mean the scene when Link is not engaged in battle when Zant suddenly releases a huge TK burst? How is that a negative on Link's skill..? She aids him in his quest, I'm talking about combat.. kinda what that topic is.
Urm no, as you can see I listed his 'combat' weapons. The ball isnt much of a combat weapon and certainly not one for taking on enemies surrounding you. And boots... boots arent weapons 😐

Only seen him stabbing baldy and beating beardface. He's skilled sure but.. to human limits. Not even peak human combat from what Ive seen as of yet but I will check that beach scene and see if that view changes...

[watches]

Okay it was impressive, but still human. Nothing your Jason Bornes or Eliot Spencers couldn't do. Human.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Still not relevant in a sword fight. LOL.

I'm sorry...how exactly does evidence providing a basis for one's arm strength not relevant in a sword fight? Assuming there's a common understanding that swords are tools of war designed to be wielded though the strength of one's body, which primarily includes, but is not limited to, hands and arms.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Still not relevant in a sword fight. LOL.

The boots make the feat possible.

You haven't proven Link's immune to swords. You have made the baseless claim for years without proof.

Answer the question Quan, do the boots make Link stronger? Yes or no?

You will answer yes or no, or you won't receive the attention you so crave, it's that simple.

Originally posted by BloodRain
You mean the scene when Link is not engaged in battle when Zant suddenly releases a huge TK burst? How is that a negative on Link's skill..? She aids him in his quest, I'm talking about combat.. kinda what that topic is.
Urm no, as you can see I listed his 'combat' weapons. The ball isnt much of a combat weapon and certainly not one for taking on enemies surrounding you. And boots... boots arent weapons 😐

Only seen him stabbing baldy and beating beardface. He's skilled sure but.. to human limits. Not even peak human combat from what Ive seen as of yet but I will check that beach scene and see if that view changes...

[watches]

Okay it was impressive, but still human. Nothing your Jason Bornes or Eliot Spencers couldn't do. Human.

The ball and chain is a combat weapon. The boots are gear he needs to achieve his goals.

If you think easily cutting off a gold statute is human, while throwing a spear with deadly accuracy in combat is human, along with blocking an arrow you aren't even looking at with your shield as you are charging your enemies is human you aren't being honest with me.

Most of the action stuff we see on screen is superhuman. Normal humans can't do that sort of stuff to people consistently.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link was defeated. The only reason he survived is luck. Cry about it all you want. She aids him in combat as well. You already acknowledged it.

The ball and chain is a combat weapon. The boots are gear he needs to achieve his goals.

If you think easily cutting off a gold statute is human, while throwing a spear with deadly accuracy in combat is human, along with blocking an arrow you aren't even looking at with your shield as you are charging your enemies is human you aren't being honest with me.

Most of the action stuff we see on screen is superhuman. Normal humans can't do that sort of stuff to people consistently.

So Achilles using his skill could defend himself from an unexpected and invisible force burst? Yes, only when he's in wolf form, /never/ when he's in his human form.

Ball isnt something used in 90% of any combat situation, only when the target doesn't move much. Boots aren't a weapon nor are they used in combat besides when weight is needed. Neither are weapons you would use in actual combat, so are not listed.

Will have to check the gold cut as thats the only notable thing.

Throwing a spear + raising a shield to block + running =/= more than a human limits. And no not a normal by any means, just a peak human. Just like this guy doing something no normal person could, but again he's still only human. If you want to give Achilles Peak to Low superhuman strength then fine, but his skill is demonstrated to be in the realms of peak human capabilities. That would be like saying the guys from 300 are all superhuman. (This example was brought to you buy a faulty memory, please ignore any inaccuracies if they are infact superhuman)

Originally posted by BloodRain
So Achilles using his skill could defend himself from an unexpected and invisible force burst? Yes, only when he's in wolf form, /never/ when he's in his human form.

Ball isnt something used in 90% of any combat situation, only when the target doesn't move much. Boots aren't a weapon nor are they used in combat besides when weight is needed. Neither are weapons you would use in actual combat, so are not listed.

Will have to check the gold cut as thats the only notable thing.

Throwing a spear + raising a shield to block + running =/= more than a human limits. And no not a normal by any means, just a peak human. Just like this guy doing something no normal person could, but again he's still only human. If you want to give Achilles Peak to Low superhuman strength then fine, but his skill is demonstrated to be in the realms of peak human capabilities. That would be like saying the guys from 300 are all superhuman. (This example was brought to you buy a faulty memory, please ignore any inaccuracies if they are infact superhuman)

It's still used. That's all I said is he relies on other weapons than his sword. You agreed so quit crying about a guy who needs Midna's help, special swords, gear, and luck to prevail in his quest to save little Hyrule.

You feat arguers are very dishonest. I knew a stilly feat is the only thing you feat worshippers will listen to.

The guys from 300 are all superhuman as well. If you think humans can pull off their feats consistently in combat you are lying. Quit lying to yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link was beaten. Not my fault the guy was chumped out which is something Dorf couldn't even pull off in this game.

It's still used. That's all I said is he relies on other weapons than his sword. You agreed so quit crying about a guy who needs Midna's help, special swords, gear, and luck to prevail in his quest to save little Hyrule.

You feat arguers are very dishonest. I knew a stilly feat is the only thing you feat worshippers will listen to.

The guys from 300 are all superhuman as well. If you think humans can pull off their feats consistently in combat you are lying. Quit lying to yourself.

Answer my question. Could Achilles skill overcome that instance?

And Achilles uses a sword, spear and teammates 😬 Yes, I agreed that Midna helps his wolf form in combat. She doesnt lift a finger to aid his human side in a fight. I asked you to prove it was luck.

How is it dishonest to know what a person can do in order to compare it to what someone else can do. The whole time youve supported Russells speed and strength, Tom's killing curse and Achilles' combat skills.. youve been supporting their feats :T

So that guy in the vid is superhuman too? They're all peak human in combat and nothing shown says otherwise. Id be more than happy for you to show me something that disputes this.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Answer my question. Could Achilles skill overcome that instance?

And Achilles uses a sword, spear and teammates 😬 Yes, I agreed that Midna helps his wolf form in combat. She doesnt lift a finger to aid his human side in a fight. I asked you to prove it was luck.

How is it dishonest to know what a person can do in order to compare it to what someone else can do. The whole time youve supported Russells speed and strength, Tom's killing curse and Achilles' combat skills.. youve been supporting their feats :T

So that guy in the vid is superhuman too? They're all peak human in combat and nothing shown says otherwise. Id be more than happy for you to show me something that disputes this.

Link doesn't ever take on an army just random idiots scattered left and right. He was at Zant's mercy so he was lucky to have survived.

Their feats against peers. Just because Poseidon in Immortals creates the tidal wave of that force doesn't suggest he is unharmed by Titans who don't display one tenth of that power on screen. It's how fiction works and always will.

If no one can replicate those feats with consistency it's superhuman not peak human. A peak human cannot consistently perform the said feats.

so all athletes who build up muscle memory or train for consistency are superhuman?

I see Quan has returned with his latest character fascination. Figures he went from a likely gay vampire to the definitively gay Brad Pitt. But what I don't get is that even he must realize the vampire is more powerful than Achilles. So when the vamp got stomped, why go lower to try and beat Link?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He wouldn't have been caught unaware.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link doesn't ever take on an army just random idiots scattered left and right. He was at Zant's mercy so he was lucky to have survived.

Link uses a sword. Achilles uses a sword.
Link uses a bow. Achilles uses a spear.
Link uses a ball&chain. Achilles uses a small army warriors each with swords and spears of their own, and arrows.

The best thing Ive seen Achilles do is kill 20 /humans/ in a row, taking at most 2 at a time. Compare to Link taking several enemies ganging up at once.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Their feats against peers. Just because Poseidon in Immortals creates the tidal wave of that force doesn't suggest he is unharmed by Titans who don't display one tenth of that power on screen. It's how fiction works and always will.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If no one can replicate those feats with consistency it's superhuman not peak human. A peak human cannot consistently perform the said feats.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
so all athletes who build up muscle memory or train for consistency are superhuman?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I see Quan has returned with his latest character fascination. Figures he went from a likely gay vampire to the definitively gay Brad Pitt. But what I don't get is that even he must realize the vampire is more powerful than Achilles. So when the vamp got stomped, why go lower to try and beat Link?

Originally posted by BloodRain
So you have something from Troy that proves he can react to an [b]invisible force shockwave?[/B]

Youre comparing the humans Achilles fought to a guy with telekinetic powers?[/B]

Link uses a sword. Achilles uses a sword.
Link uses a bow. Achilles uses a spear.
Link uses a ball&chain. Achilles uses a small army warriors each with swords and spears of their own, and arrows.[/B]

The best thing Ive seen Achilles do is kill 20 /humans/ in a row, taking at most 2 at a time. Compare to Link taking several enemies ganging up at once.

Not even sure what that example was meant to explain. Russell does something fast around fast characters = Link doing something strong around strong characters, Feats are feats, you use them all the same.

Thats what a peak human in fiction is. A character that has peak human speed, strength and skills altogether. IRL this person would be a superhuman as no one could be peak in all those areas, but in fiction its called peak as it doesn't go past the human limits. [/B]

Link isn't portrayed as superior to his foes with strength. Russell is. Link has to use the right skill or strike or weapon to win. He doesn't just overpower his foes into submission. Russell was portrayed as in another lreague against superhumanly strong opponents.

You agree he is a superhuman so concession accepted. You are progressing wonderfully. To easily cut the gold statue in half that is pretty much superior to human beings limits.

I haven't seen troy. I've seen the hector vs achilles vid though, and there is NOTHING super about it. Am I missing something from the rest of the movie?

At one point Achilles throws a spear pretty hard, other than that, no.

Then link has this in the bag.

Link wins the fight based solely on the fact that the movie Troy is bad.

Well actually Link wins for a variety of reasons. I just want to stress that the film Troy is bad.