Achilles(Troy) vs. Link(TP) in a sword fight

They are strong enough to overcome them.

You admit that the boots do not make him stronger?

You admit he tossed around a Goron so heavy it snapped the chains holding up the platform they were on, and shifted the massive weight of it just by moving around it?

You admit that Link can walk in boots so heavy they outweight the aforementioned Goron?

You admit he's so strong that even while they're being pulled by magnets that can hold the massive weight of said boots against gravity, even when those magnets and gravity are both pulling in the same direction, more than doubling their effective weight?

Originally posted by BloodRain
1. Its the same writer.

2. They're not random powers as these feats outrank all his feats in consistency.

3. There no ABC thing going on.

That doesn't change how Link stacks up to his peers. That's why feats don't mean much a lot of the time.

This was just generalized rules he adheres to. I didn't say it was all relevant to our discussion.

4. Link has several 'direct meetings' that solidify his feats.

5. The major difference is as you noted; s/he's talking about a comic where this is a game. Why thats a big deal is that games have gameplay which must be challenging and fit the style of the game. No superhuman can one-shot in games. [/B]

When they power up at some point they can. It's unlikely but when they become more powerful it usually comes through in gameplay. Not the case here since he really doesn't.

100 tonner Link not one-shotting weak, human level monsters.

Skyscraper tall Titan wrestling Kratos not one-shotting weak, human level monsters.

Planet busting Asura not one-shotting weak, human level monsters.

Its gameplay, youre meant to take time defeating opponents. [/B]

Kratos is portrayed as beyond his peers and is on another power level entirely.
Asura is also portrayed on another level. Link is not.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So you admit Link is physically stronger than a giant, twilight amped super Goron?

You admit that the boots do not make him stronger?

You admit he tossed around a Goron so heavy it snapped the chains holding up the platform they were on, and shifted the massive weight of it just by moving around it?

You admit that Link can walk in boots so heavy they outweight the aforementioned Goron?

You admit he's so strong that even while they're being pulled by magnets that can hold the massive weight of said boots against gravity, even when those magnets and gravity are both pulling in the same direction, more than doubling their effective weight?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your location says Hyrule. You are one of them. Like you could fool me. 😂 Bo and Link just needed the boots. You can't prove the Gorons weight. They are strong enough to overcome them. That's it. Boots are required as well due to their lack of weight. I see I am in your head as well. Keep stalking me I find it cute.

Originally posted by Scarlet Fox
Actually I am stalking ScreamPaste and he knows that. Your just an unfortunate biproduct for which everyone disagrees with.

This is still up? Achilles had a god showing against my namesake, but Link's on a whole other level here. He might humor the Pitt, but in the end he wins.

Minus the Gimping done to Link...

I think Link wins. Link has battled monsters from the ground to the sky to the water. His power would cleave Achilles in two. Link isnt stupid. He wouldnt rush in. He would take his time, find an opening, and exploit it however possible.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Its not spinning, its asking a very.. /very/ simple question. Youre talking about stopping them, Im talking about throwing them.

Not that it matters, agreeing that Link's superhuman and all.

Once again talking about a preemtive strike, dodging the point about his instincts aiding him when a shockwave is coming at him. Please answer this. And for your other point, why would he attack a motionless guy he doesnt even know is a threat? How is he going to strike (get weapon, cock arm, step in, attack) before Zant sends a shockwave with a simple thought?

Being proactive and acting immediately. Indecision is the worst thing a warrior can do. Due to his sudden appearance. Link did nothing to even protect himself or put himself in a position to do so.

And I ask, what has it got to do with awareness? How does not noticing passive beings summoning a portal behind him have anything to with an aggressive combatant launching attacks at him. If I was able to stand next to someone and stab their side with no resistance, that doesnt mean that guy has lax reactions. [/B]

Organized troops means nothing in a situation when he's fighting 2 human soldiers at a time :/ What would you personally stand a better chance against; 2 human soldiers w/swords or 5 wild beasts with swords surrounding you? Same 2 soldiers or 4 10ft tall trained armoured knights? [/B]

You mean when Link is in his Wolf form? I specified a sword drawn Link in combat.

Been busy, same reason you took 3 weeks to reply in the other thread.

Don't recall shyness and don't need to as shyness has nothing to do with intelligence... Like I said before, Zant scene means nothing. What Link saw; Turns around and sees some guy he doesn't even know standing there, not moving or being aggressive.. for what reason should Link think "I must defend against and vanquish this stranger standing here"? [/B]

I have probably like 3 times the posts you do. All that means is you aren't high on my priority list.

Being shy around girls shows a lack of confidence ie. lack of intelligence.

You thinking Achilles would strike him is basically the same as you saying that he attacks ever stranger thats ever in close proximity to him, 24/7.
Didnt know Zant + nothing aggressive + no movements + Link not being a stab-everything psychopath = No reason to attack a guy that's not your enemy.
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Link just stood there like a dope.

Link takes an axe to the face in a cutscene. Tbh I thought Link was durable but I didn't think he could every take a sword attack unharmed until SP posted that vid a lil while back <- durable.

Mortal Draw, Link uses a single strong slash to one-shot everything that isnt a mini-boss <- strength.[/B]

Can't he also die if he does this wrong ? LOL at him oneshotting henchmen.

Gorons (huge rock busters that take hits from each other), Link slashes at them a few times and it temp knocks them down <- strength.

Wrong. All Bo did was grapple and push a 5-10 ton Goron out of the ring. Link was able to lift them up, throw them, do the same to a Goron several times larger and many more higher feats.[/B]

Pushing a Goron in a sumo match (Bo stops here) < defeating a Goron < lift/throw a Goron < pushing room sized metal cages < pulling up a larger metal chandelier < lift/throw Dangoro < pulling boss Goron < Pushing room sized metal blocks < knocking around small house sized Ice mass (Link stops here)

Bo's strength is not on Link's level.[/B]

Who needs calcs when we all have eyes? Don't need calcs to know that all the Goron, cage, block and Ice mass feats are well into a higher superhuman level then cutting gold.

And peers? Fighting Gorons that want to kill him using strength, and not a friendly wrestling match (normal, large and boss). Tanking a axe from King Bublin. Being able to one shot foes with Mortal Draw. Defeating Blizzeta with strength alone.

Please, when I was against LoZ fans in dozens of debates when I wasnt a fan myself, even I was smart enough to recognize their real level. Have to be blind to ignore literally every strength feat shown. Thats not Zelda fans, thats anyone that accepts what feats are for any character.. And highest? 16 feats above the no feats you can produce to counter. 6 peer interaction pieces, including every non mini-boss, above the nothing youve shown to counter.[/B]

Link isn't immune and does amazing things but most heroes do in fiction. You try to twist his feats and his portrayal constantly. I don't. This happens all the time to heroes. They frequently do amazing to the point it becomes the norm.

Summed up: Achilles beats two human soldiers at a time, can tell people what to do before he runs off and is a man.. hope that wasnt meant to sound impressive.
Quan in this whole thread the only ignoring is you with every single feat from Link in favour of what you want him to be.

Soldiers present but unknown skill &#8776; Darknuts present but unknown skill "Their sword skills are quite accomplished."
Soldiers athletic strength < Darknuts superhuman strength
Soldiers bare skin < Darknuts thick durable armour
Soldiers athletic attack speed &#8776; Darknuts fast attacks
Soldiers attacking 2v1 < Darknuts attacking 4v1

Beating 4 Darknuts is more impressive then beating 2 humans.

With the neg comments on it, bizar descriptions (kiddie, crying, begging) and all those threads.. you sure you're not? O.o [/B]

That isn't anything comparable to all the stimuli one would see taking a beach with arrows and spears coming in all direction. i can keep my eye on four r five people just fine but hundreds, nope.

I am loving life. Kicking ass and taking names.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he wasn't superhuman but I contest the degree in which you and others put him at.
Being proactive and acting immediately. Indecision is the worst thing a warrior can do. Due to his sudden appearance. Link did nothing to even protect himself or put himself in a position to do so.
In the dire situation Link was in he should be wary of anyone especially someone who just appeared before him.
Link just stood there like a dope.

You havent answered why. Why on Earth would Achilles attack a defenceless stranger who isnt paying attention to him let alone attacking him? Can you honestly tell me that in the same position Achilles would, after seeing said stranger standing there doing absolutely nothing, draw his weapon and suddenly attack the guy or hide behind his shield? Do you turn around and punch anyone that happens to be near you? No.. well I hope thats a no.

And Link's always in a dire situation, does that mean he should be not only wary of, but get straight into a offensive/defensive stance around every stranger thats near him?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not that it does in theory per say but in the manner in which it occurred to Link in the dire situation he was in you are damn right it was.

Though the same things said in the other thread so guess we dont need that topic here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
People are throwing spears at him and shooting arrows while he is fighting people. Acting like he doesn't have to be aware of his surrounding when stimuli is occurring everywhere is stupid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he needs her aid with his sword drawn but in other areas he does.
I have probably like 3 times the posts you do. All that means is you aren't high on my priority list.
Being shy around girls shows a lack of confidence ie. lack of intelligence.

Why are you talking about post count? I'm talkin' about real life busy, not making other posts busy O.o

..on what planet does confidence to talk to girls = intelligence? Have you seen fictional and irl nerds? And when was this shy scene?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He survived it but it all depends what does it really hit like in any fight. Link isn't immune to sword or ax strikes because of that scene.
Can't he also die if he does this wrong ? LOL at him oneshotting henchmen.

No the specific attack just leaves him open, but its not the specific attack thats my point, its that with a strong strike like this Link can one-shot foes. And the only thing that arent taken out in one hit are mini-boss level monsters and up, so the bomb tanking Shadow Beasts are taken out in one slash.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Achilles cut through solid gold and easily. LOL at rock busters. Bo also beat a Goron in a wrestling match. They are big and weigh a lot. No biggie.
We don't see Bo in those situations. We do know that with the boots both can best Gorons showing it isn't that great. Bo isn't some great warrior nor is he in his prime.

Basically you have no proof that Bo could replicate any of Links other strength feats? No proof that Bo could even lift a Goron? No reason to believe Bo is stronger that when we know? (Who said he didn't do it in his prime?)

Originally posted by quanchi112
Most in fiction are superhuman including Achilles.
Link isn't immune and does amazing things but most heroes do in fiction. You try to twist his feats and his portrayal constantly. I don't. This happens all the time to heroes. They frequently do amazing to the point it becomes the norm.

How exactly is it twisting a feat? Link does a feat, we see him do a feat, we say he did that feat.. help me find the twist when the creator stepped up to say he has the strength to do these feats.

Originally posted by quanchi112
While arrows are being shot and spears are being tossed. Maybe you think it's just two people he needs to worry about. LOL.
That isn't anything comparable to all the stimuli one would see taking a beach with arrows and spears coming in all direction. i can keep my eye on four r five people just fine but hundreds, nope.
I am loving life. Kicking ass and taking names.

So yeah, all he was doing was taking one 2 at a time with a third guy standing out of range. 2+ people, not hundreds. 4 Darknuts >> 2+ humans.

Can take that as a yes then?

Originally posted by BloodRain
So basically Link does have the physical strength to lift and throw the weight of a Gorons, regardless of Boots because Link is superhuman? Could have said that ages ago, we already knew you didnt agree with the specific weight.

You havent answered why. Why on Earth would Achilles attack a defenceless stranger who isnt paying attention to him let alone attacking him? Can you honestly tell me that in the same position Achilles would, after seeing said stranger standing there doing absolutely nothing, draw his weapon and suddenly attack the guy or hide behind his shield? Do you turn around and punch anyone that happens to be near you? No.. well I hope thats a no.

And Link's always in a dire situation, does that mean he should be not only wary of, but get straight into a offensive/defensive stance around every stranger thats near him?

Due to the circumstances of what he's going through. Link is on a epic adventure and he stands there like a dope. Achilles isn't the wait and see what this guy does type of guy. If I am on a massive quest in Hyrule I wouldn't let my guard down. You want to ignore the circumstances at the time. I don't.

In that circumstance you are damn right he should have.

That was about Dorf. And that summed up as 'yep, it does'.. not really a reasoned response.

Though the same things said in the other thread so guess we dont need that topic here.

When did I say he didnt have good awareness? He does, like irl humans that went into battle situations like him. Difference is those irl humans are Athletic, he's Peak. He has battle awareness, but thinking its so high that no human can ever come close to that level is baseless.

In what areas does he need her then that shows a lack in anything for Link? How she teleports him long distances? How she TKs large objects?

Why are you talking about post count? I'm talkin' about real life busy, not making other posts busy O.o[/B]

yeah, yeah.

..on what planet does confidence to talk to girls = intelligence? Have you seen fictional and irl nerds? And when was this shy scene?

How does it not end at "He survived tanking an axe to the face"? Only receives damage in gameplay, still doesn't kill him.

No the specific attack just leaves him open, but its not the specific attack thats my point, its that with a strong strike like this Link can one-shot foes. And the only thing that arent taken out in one hit are mini-boss level monsters and up, so the bomb tanking Shadow Beasts are taken out in one slash.

Which scene did he cut through gold? And please tell me its not the beach scene where he throws his sword through a thin gold helmet.. Gorons can /eat/ rock, not even their physical strength, chewing, or even by rolling.. Gorons have higher punching feats. If the gold cutting was that helmet, chewing rocks alone is above it.

Basically you have no proof that Bo could replicate any of Links other strength feats? No proof that Bo could even lift a Goron? No reason to believe Bo is stronger that when we know? (Who said he didn't do it in his prime?)[/B]

The axe didn't hit his throat or anything. it was vague. The scene doesn't say hey axes can't hurt him.

certain foes. The foes he does so to aren't very powerful and there are more examples of foes he can't oneshot than foes he can.

He cuts the statue of Apollo's head off with his sword. That feat doesn't mean to me that everyone in the film is nothing compared to him. It's just an impressive feat his skill is what separates him from his peers. The portrayal is obvious.

It's a shared feat. We only have one direct comparison showing Link isn't beyond some old Mayor type character. Link isn't beyond his peers so I don't need to prove anything. You need to prove in direct comparison he's beyond them all.

But how many superhumans are doing things anywhere near the level of the feats Link has shown?

How exactly is it twisting a feat? Link does a feat, we see him do a feat, we say he did that feat.. help me find the twist when the creator stepped up to say he has the strength to do these feats.

You might want to re-watch the scene again. After the Tortoise shield do you remember how many arrows and spears were flying about? One.. the single arrow that hit his shield.

So yeah, all he was doing was taking one 2 at a time with a third guy standing out of range. 2+ people, not hundreds. 4 Darknuts >> 2+ humans.

Can take that as a yes then? [/B]

Acting like those feats override how he interacts with his peers. it'd be like me saying Achilles cuts through gold so all his peers can't even stop his sword due to his strength feats. it's twisting a feat in order to portray him in a more favorable light.

I never said it was more than one arrow. I didn't want you to take my words literally.

No. There are far more people in the same vicinity than in Link's battles. Much more to adjust and react to than Link's scenarios.

How does Achilles overcome Link's skin being more durable than his sword? 🙂

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
How does Achilles overcome Link's skin being more durable than his sword? 🙂

Link's stopped multi ton masses in motion without being crushed, been hit in the face with an axe (by someone much stronger than achilles) and been unhurt, been fired at the ground out of a cannon in the sky, been unhurt.

It is not unproven. A bronze xiphos won't do shit here.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link's stopped multi ton masses in motion without being crushed, been hit in the face with an axe (by someone much stronger than achilles) and been unhurt, been fired at the ground out of a cannon in the sky, been unhurt.

It is not unproven. A bronze xiphos won't do shit here.

Thor and Superman have awesome durability unlike Link. They have examples of resisting said tactics unlike Link.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That happens all the time in fiction and as soon as a sword hits the guy they are all cut. If you don't have one example you are using fanboy physics. To make a claim you need to back it up.

Thor and Superman have awesome durability unlike Link. They have examples of resisting said tactics unlike Link.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He was [b]hit with an axe by someone with superstrength and not hurt. Where is your argument? [/B]

King Bulbin is super strong. He fails to hurt Link with an axe.

Achilles is not as strong, and his weapon is made of a much softer metal.

Do the math.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
King Bulbin is super strong. He fails to hurt Link with an axe.

Achilles is not as strong, and his weapon is made of a much softer metal.

Do the math.

Achilles can cut through gold. Achilles can cut through Link's skin. You have no proof as to suggest otherwise.

Lol. An axe from someone who can toss around rhinoceros sized boars is a very different animal from what Achille's has done. A thin sheet of soft, malleable metal? That's supposed to compare?

Link is more durable than Achille's weapon, Quan, it is worth nothing here.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol. An axe from someone who can toss around rhinoceros sized boars is a very different animal from what Achille's has done. A thin sheet of soft, malleable metal? That's supposed to compare?

Link is more durable than Achille's weapon, Quan, it is worth nothing here.

No, it isn't. You can pretend it is but you need a feat which proves invulnerability not survivability.