Cyclops (Full Phoenix Force) VS The Void

Originally posted by wildernesss
full PF power doesn't even allow for full control unless the host is someone like rachael grey...in which case she was only hosting a fraction of the force IIRC. scott is more mentally unstable than jean grey was and jean couldn't even control it.

rachel ahd the full force for a good run, although it was the pf that controlled her and not the other way around and acted altruistically.

doesnt matter. a full pf tantrum should be enough to wipe void out

Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops being less morally good than he used to be isn't a sign of mental instability, unless you can prove he was somehow compromised.

if he has as much control in this thread as he did in the arc, or rather, the phoenix had as much influence, then there's no real instability to speak of, tbh.

scott's mental instability is evidenced by the egomania and narcissism and psychopathic behaviour reflected in his decision making and actions. the seed of it was present before he obtained the power, and it grew from there. he killed xavier with noemotional response or remorse....that's what psychopaths do. he endangered the planet without giving a crap. that's what psychopaths do. no emotional response or remorse. Need I remind you that sliverof the Void remains in Cyclop's mind to this day; the party line is that it was "contained" in a corner of his mind. yeah right. if that isn't reallydisturbing on top of everything else, I don't know what is. he's unstableand disturbed....the only question is to what extent he remains the psychopath from the AVSX.

Originally posted by 753
you really conflating moral judgements with mental instability. he didnt try to harness the phoenix for good ends out of egomania and the pf is a force of life, just as much as destruction.

His decision to even USE the PF was the decision of a egomaniac and narcissus. HE beleived that he was worthy of making a decision that could effectively destroy the planet because HIS vision was worth the risk. forget what every other genius in the MU has to say and all the brutal evidence to the contrary; his beleif in his decision making abilities is so monsterous that he would put everything at stake based on his belief in himself. when in that heavy a state of denial and delusion, you either have to be mentally unstable, and ego maniac narcissus, or both. to him, the prospect of rejuvenating the mutant population outweighed the risk of destroying the planet. notice how monumentally strong one's ego would have to be to beleif they have the right to make that decision?

Originally posted by wildernesss
scott's mental instability is evidenced by the egomania and narcissism and psychopathic behaviour reflected in his decision making and actions. the seed of it was present before he obtained the power, and it grew from there. he killed xavier with noemotional response or remorse....that's what psychopaths do. he endangered the planet without giving a crap. that's what psychopaths do. no emotional response or remorse. Need I remind you that sliverof the Void remains in Cyclop's mind to this day; the party line is that it was "contained" in a corner of his mind. yeah right. if that isn't reallydisturbing on top of everything else, I don't know what is. he's unstableand disturbed....the only question is to what extent he remains the psychopath from the AVSX.

you're confusing what he did under the phoenix's influence with scott himself. they aren't one and the same. he's morally questionable, not unstable.

Hell, even if you wanted to say he was a psychopath, that doesn't necessarily imply instability. The man was still out-thinking pretty much everyone even when he was going dark side.

you're free to believe that he suffers from egomania and/or narcissism, but I honestly don't think he was, nor do I think that was portrayed in the comics.

Originally posted by wildernesss
Cyclops (Full Phoenix Force) VS The Void

No prep. Both are going all out.

* you stipulated that Cyke has full PF, and now you're making a "mentally unstable" excuse??? 😆

Don't know how this thread lasted so long.

VOID wins SPITE

cyclops

The bird will have soft shell crab for dinner. Void has no chance. None.

Originally posted by wildernesss
His decision to even USE the PF was the decision of a egomaniac and narcissus. HE beleived that he was worthy of making a decision that could effectively destroy the planet because HIS vision was worth the risk. forget what every other genius in the MU has to say and all the brutal evidence to the contrary; his beleif in his decision making abilities is so monsterous that he would put everything at stake based on his belief in himself. when in that heavy a state of denial and delusion, you either have to be mentally unstable, and ego maniac narcissus, or both. to him, the prospect of rejuvenating the mutant population outweighed the risk of destroying the planet. notice how monumentally strong one's ego would have to be to beleif they have the right to make that decision?

he did not believe he was worthy of anything. he believed the PF had come to earth to jumpstart the mutant race. this belief was based on cable's premonitions and warning; the fact that hope was the first mutant born after decimation, that when she came back from the future 5 more mutants emerged and were bonded to her and the fatc that she had already begun manifesting the PF power signature before the force set course to earth. and uess what? he was right.

he wanted the force for hope, not for himself, which leads us to those marvel geniuses youre ralking about: idiots who had no understanding of the PF. It was Tony Stark who fractured the PF among the extinction team instead of letting it run tis course to hope and the five lights as it should have (if you had read unit's tale from generation hope, you'd know this). and what did stark conclude in the end? that they should have let hope have the force from the beggining. based on what? a newfound belief in intuitive understanding of reality and "magic". how is that for brutal evidence? the best that can be said for the avengers actions is that the mystical training hope received helped her better do her thing when the time came. this was, of course, an orignally unintended secondary development.

As the phoenix interacted with the P5's emotional flaws, it corrupted them, but scott was the one who held on to sanity and compassion the best among them all. maybe they're all narcisistic psychopaths too huh. oh and jean grey as well.

Originally posted by wildernesss
scott's mental instability is evidenced by the egomania and narcissism and psychopathic behaviour reflected in his decision making and actions. the seed of it was present before he obtained the power, and it grew from there. he killed xavier with noemotional response or remorse....that's what psychopaths do. he endangered the planet without giving a crap. that's what psychopaths do. no emotional response or remorse. Need I remind you that sliverof the Void remains in Cyclop's mind to this day; the party line is that it was "contained" in a corner of his mind. yeah right. if that isn't reallydisturbing on top of everything else, I don't know what is. he's unstableand disturbed....the only question is to what extent he remains the psychopath from the AVSX.

what comics did you read? you obvisouly didnt read the uncanny x-men run of AvX as it shows what goes on in scott's mind as the dark phoenix. he is horrified at his own actions even as they take place, expresses remorse and tries to undo them (succesfully reviving hank mccoy), but is simultaneously hampered by his own emotional turmoil, flaws and the hunger of the phoenix which is tearing his psyche apart. the portrayal is akin to a psychotic episode.

after it was sad and done, he was so remorseful for xavier's death he tried to commit suicide by wolverine in avx consequences (great ****ing series btw, you should read it). the only thing that motivated him to keep on living was contact with a young mutant who was being targeted by the aryan brotherhood in prisons, whom he could keep alive.

it's like tou know nothing of cyclops's development throughout the arc and afterward.

So a mental stability argument in a thread with Robert Reynolds and its not about him?

Now I've seen everything...

Slim stomps, he's a solid world threat or more, Void at best is a team buster+

Originally posted by wildernesss

cyclops could barely stop xavier with the pf; the void killed Loki in five seconds after destroying most of the avengers who had to be resurrected with the norn stones. oh ya, i almost forget....the void is can't die unless it wills it.

scott's feats with the pf are relatively fail.

Scott killed Xavier with a thought. WTF are you talking about?

Cyke with the full PF sh!tspitestomps the Void, honestly.... how can this be not spite....

Originally posted by Sundipped
Scott killed Xavier with a thought. WTF are you talking about?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So a mental stability argument in a thread with Robert Reynolds and its not about him?

Now I've seen everything...

Slim stomps, he's a solid world threat or more, Void at best is a team buster+

Isn't it non canon?

Spite Cyclops stomps

Originally posted by SamZED
Have you seen the what if Void wasnt stopped?

he really kind of destroyed earth piecemeal, though. not like he obliterated it with a wave of a claw...that watcher also intimated that he could have stopped void had he intervened--he simply did not. void killed a few people in that book, but even in that what if i don't think it did anything to indicate that it could take a full-on pf powered host.

Why is this thread 3 pages?