Achilles never showed any enhanced durability, which he'd need to survive the hits that sent Riddick flying clear across the massive chamber they were. And his speed isn't enough to counter Marshal's legitimate super speed soul run.
Riddick survived because of how physically tough he is. Achilles doesn't have that luxury, and as a result, the hits that Riddick was hurt from, would hurt him a lot worse and probably end up with him dead.
Originally posted by KingD19His awareness and fluid movements get the job done. Look at his first fight and see how easily he avoids the spear thrown his way. The guy can definitely tank the attacks with his armor on that Riddick survived.
Achilles never showed any enhanced durability, which he'd need to survive the hits that sent Riddick flying clear across the massive chamber they were. And his speed isn't enough to counter Marshal's legitimate super speed soul run.Riddick survived because of how physically tough he is. Achilles doesn't have that luxury, and as a result, the hits that Riddick was hurt from, would hurt him a lot worse and probably end up with him dead.
You speculate out of fanboyism for Riddick.
So you're saying Achilles is fast enough to dodge around Lord Marhsall's attacks, and can tank the ones Riddick took? Riddick himself was thrown for a loop and he's tougher than Achilles has ever shown to be. And Achilles can tank them?
There's a difference between being a fan and a fanboy. And you even considering Achilles can take the kind of punishment Riddick can is hilarious. Riddick shrugged off getting hit with a gravity gun, which launches people 20 feet easily and one shot killed everyone else it hit. Yet Lord Marshall had him licked. Achilles showed no durability feats, and he has none to draw on. So he's a normal guy in terms of durability. A normal guy would get raped by hits from Lord Marshall, and his armor wouldn't stand up to punishment like that.
I'm not the one with Achilles as my sig.
Originally posted by KingD19
Achilles never showed any enhanced durability, which he'd need to survive the hits that sent Riddick flying clear across the massive chamber they were. And his speed isn't enough to counter Marshal's legitimate super speed soul run.Riddick survived because of how physically tough he is. Achilles doesn't have that luxury, and as a result, the hits that Riddick was hurt from, would hurt him a lot worse and probably end up with him dead.
I don't understand why everyone is making such a big deal about durability. Sure Riddick is more durable and if it was a fist fight then Achilles probably won't be able to bring him down. But remember that Achilles is armed with spear and sword in this match. I don't care how durable Riddick is, he isn't going to survive a stab through the heart or a chopped head or getting an entire sword stabbed through from his shoulder.
So let's stop discussing durability and instead focus on skill and speed. People might believe that Riddick is faster, and they might be right. But is he fast enough? I don't recall him showing superhuman speed. And as far as fighting skill goes, I think it's obvious that on a 1 on 1 scenario, Achilles far outclasses him.
Originally posted by KingD19Riddick isn't some freakishly durable being. Quit acting as if he is. Another poster just tore into your fanboyism. That's the problem with fanboys such as yourself you can never see the writing on the wall.
So you're saying Achilles is fast enough to dodge around Lord Marhsall's attacks, and can tank the ones Riddick took? Riddick himself was thrown for a loop and he's tougher than Achilles has ever shown to be. And Achilles can tank them?There's a difference between being a fan and a fanboy. And you even considering Achilles can take the kind of punishment Riddick can is hilarious. Riddick shrugged off getting hit with a gravity gun, which launches people 20 feet easily and one shot killed everyone else it hit. Yet Lord Marshall had him licked. Achilles showed no durability feats, and he has none to draw on. So he's a normal guy in terms of durability. A normal guy would get raped by hits from Lord Marshall, and his armor wouldn't stand up to punishment like that.
I'm not the one with Achilles as my sig.
Again Achilles is going to kill Riddick with his sword or spear. Both will prove fatal, fanboy.
Just re-watched Riddick's fight with the Lord Marshall and, I'm sorry, I don't see Riddick at any point showing that he was able to "adapt".
One thing to note, is that even though the Lord Marshall is able to move his body fast or do that soul-teleport thing, I don't see him throwing hits/punches that are incredibly fast. It's not like Agent Smith where he riddles you with machine-gun speed punches. It's his body movement that's fast which is probably why Riddick was able to block a few hits but was unable to land any.
Despite that, when Lord Marshall was hitting Riddick with fists only ,Riddick was unable to do anything about it and got his ass handed to him. Then when Lord Marshall took up a spear, only then was Riddick able to somewaht block his hits... but it's obviously clear that the Lord Marshall's attacks were now a lot slower because of the weight of the spear. Nevertheless, Riddick still was unable to hit the lord Marshall and get his ass handed to him. In the end, Riddick didn't show any impressive feats in that fight except to showcase his durability.
So yeah, Riddick hasn't shown any type of skill or decent speed feats to show that he can beat Achilles. Every person he has ever fought handles weapons like mallets in comparison to Achilles's speed. Even the Lord Marshall looked slow (if it not for his soul teleport thing) when he picked up a spear.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
The Furyan energy given to Riddick, his eventual speed, and his overall damage absorption/resilience lead me to believe he wins the day.
Really? That's it?
What about murking mother****ers with cups? Literally, cups you drink from.
Jason Bourne who?
What about leaping 20 feet through the air to a killing blow?
Originally posted by Dolos
The bugs, remember the bugs.You are all out of your minds, I'm not going to bother. Just wait for the new Riddick.
The bugs aren't skilled opponents. Granted, I don't think Achilles can handle them better than Riddick... but there are some characters that are better at handling mass fodder and some that specialize in one on one combat.
This fight is a one on one fight, not a "who can kill the most fodder" competition. And in this case, Riddick hasn't shown that much decent feats against a single skilled opponent.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The bugs aren't skilled opponents. Granted, I don't think Achilles can handle them better than Riddick... but there are some characters that are better at handling mass fodder and some that specialize in one on one combat.This fight is a one on one fight, not a "who can kill the most fodder" competition. And in this case, Riddick hasn't shown that much decent feats against a single skilled opponent.
What about that Ninja in Dark Fury, he'd skull**** Achilles.
What about the inhumanly strong and fast necromonger wielding two 100 pound hammer/axes, with the knife stuck in his back? Ajax Boagrias who?
You are out of your minds. 😂
But you are right, in daylight, night, Achilles would get eviscerated by one of those bugs after avoiding his spear throw.
But here's another thing Achilles can't do, a stealthy kill shot from a 20 foot leap. 😮💨
One on one? Lethal ex-murderer, a gifted killer, Riddick puts a cup on the table. Shoves it through the prisoner's sternum. Puts a key on the table, other prisoners run. Achilles killed a man by surprise with a brander to the thin throat, other Greeks let him go.
I say, cup, short, sternum, thick, brander long, neck, thin. Get what I'm saying? Strength, reaction time, precision, speed, all go to Riddick. Achilles=gifted killer, Riddick=better killer.
Like I said here, I think what may come into play in the end is that even though they left the gods out of it, they made a point of having Achilles not take a single wound until the arrow--guided by a god originally--takes him through the only vulnerable point that he as.
I wouldn't assume it's out of the question to think he could literally take anything so long as he hasn't been wounded there.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
Like I said here, I think what may come into play in the end is that even though they left the gods out of it, they made a point of having Achilles not take a single wound until the arrow--guided by a god originally--takes him through the only vulnerable point that he as.I wouldn't assume it's out of the question to think he could literally take anything so long as he hasn't been wounded there.
And Riddick didn't take a single wound until he fought someone akin to a God. Before that he waded through guys like a hot knife through butter.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, don't fall for the Achilles wanking. He wasn't invulnerable in the film; the film did away with that angle and such.Riddick rips his throat out with a tea cup.
No original source from Homer's ORIGINAL writings EVER suggested he was invulnerable. He was cut in a competition of prowess with spear-sticks which he won. It's a misconception. The arrow, guided by Apollo for retribution, hit his heel and killed him, he wasn't invulnerable.
He was like Theseus or Perseus, except better than any other Demi-God save Herakles.
Originally posted by Dolos
But you are right, in daylight, night, Achilles would get eviscerated by one of those bugs after avoiding his spear throw.But here's another thing Achilles can't do, a stealthy kill shot from a 20 foot leap. 😮💨
One on one? Lethal ex-murderer, a gifted killer, Riddick puts a cup on the table. Shoves it through the prisoner's sternum. Puts a key on the table, other prisoners run. Achilles killed a man by surprise with a brander to the thin throat, other Greeks let him go.
I say, cup, short, sternum, thick, brander long, neck, thin. Get what I'm saying? Strength, reaction time, precision, speed, all go to Riddick. Achilles=gifted killer, Riddick=better killer.
lol. Describing Achilles as just a "gifted killer" is outright ridiculous. You don't become one of the most known legendary names in the fighting world by being merely a "gifted killer". Achilles was the undefeated champion of the greek kingdom. Riddick cannot boast of such an impressive accomplishment.
As far as that dual axe wielding warrior that Riddick fought, please, that guy was slow as dirt. Achilles would have danced circles around that guy. Besides, just coz he was strong enough to wield those two axes doesn't mean he was any good with them. At least Boagrius was an undefeated champion of his people before Achilles killed him, so we at least have an inkling of how good he was.
As for that teacup thing, Riddick killed a prisoner/murderer. I seriously hope you're not comparing Achilles to some random prisoner/murderer.
I think the problem here is that the OP failed to mention the stipulations of the fight. Where are they fighting, what weapons, what rules?
If they were fighting in the streets, or in a building, or in prison, or anywhere where that can utilize the environment and multiple objects around them, then I'd put my money on Riddick. If it was unarmed combat, then still Riddick. Knife fight? It would be close, but I'd bet on Riddick.
In fact when I think about it, I believe Riddick is actually the more "gifted" killer between the two of them. His resourcefulness in using any instrument to kill, adaptability to the environment speaks of a natural born killer instinct that I don't see Achilles topping. Achilles however is the better trained warrior. One of the best actually. And as long as Achilles gets his chosen weapons and it's a fair 1 on 1 fight in an open arena, then Riddick cannot defeat Achilles regardless of what melee weapons he uses.
In the end, this is a difficult match to weigh on simply because it's very hard to make it an even match. It's obviously unfair to remove Achilles's weapons from him and make him fight unarmed as we have no idea how skilled he is with fists. However if we allow them to use their preferred weapons then a spear, sword, and shield are simply too much of an advantage over knives, no matter how many knives he carries.
And please, Riddick beating Achilles with a teacup is pure fanboy wanking. At least give him a sword or machete.
Originally posted by FrothByte
In the end, this is a difficult match to weigh on simply because it's very hard to make it an even match. It's obviously unfair to remove Achilles's weapons from him and make him fight unarmed as we have no idea how skilled he is with fists. However if we allow them to use their preferred weapons then a spear, sword, and shield are simply too much of an advantage over knives, no matter how many knives he carries.
Necromonger ranged futuristic weaponry says hi.