FightSaber
By the time of the Battle of Endor, Luke Skywalker has studied some lightsaber technique from Obi-Wan's journal and greatly advanced his abilities. Without a Master, such advancement would be nearly impossible for most, but Skywalker's unparalleled aptitude makes him a match for Darth Vader in their fateful duel onboard the Second Death Star.But Skywalker's skill at blaster deflection is highly refined, and his lightsaber technique is so superb that he is able to duel the Dark Lord on even footing—and finally able to defeat a man who is a powerful living product of the ancient Jedi sword traditions from time immemorial. Such an achievement with little formal training is a testament to Skywalker's innate abilities and instinctive skill.
It's just an inconsistency between the PT and OT.
Luke was originally supposed to be a match for Vader in ROTJ. Then we see the prequels and we're like, that's not possible. He's not had enough training.
But the ROTJ novel makes it clear Luke was legitimately beating Vader.
But then Lucas confirms in the ROTJ audio commentary that Luke's training is only half complete and that he's not yet fully equipped to take on Vader.
But the dialogue in ROTJ(which hasn't changed in any of the latest format's) from Yoda, Obi-Wan and even Vader suggest he is fully trained and is ready to kill Vader.
So I'm not thinking about it anymore. It just gives me a headache.
Luke gets killed at 2.
Barriss Offee was one of the few Apprentices to survive at Geonosis, and a highly-skilled and accomplished Jedi in her own right. She was apprenticed to a woman who was one of the greatest swordsbeings in the Order.
Luke would give her a really good fight, but she would end up killing him, after a difficult duel.
Originally posted by Acasha
But Luke beat Vader 😄
While the movies implied that Vader had been holding back on Luke, The Courtship of Princess Leia directly confirms it.
Vader's gimping himself for Luke's sake, won't factor in much, here.
Luke would get past Ahsoka, barely, but he would get killed by Barriss Offee.
Originally posted by CountDooku22
Luke gets killed at 2.Barriss Offee was one of the few Apprentices to survive at Geonosis, and a highly-skilled and accomplished Jedi in her own right. She was apprenticed to a woman who was one of the greatest swordsbeings in the Order.
Luke would give her a really good fight, but she would end up killing him, after a difficult duel.
Originally posted by Excalibur2776
I doubt it, Luke was able to break through Vaders defense, and if he could do that he could break through Barriss's Soresu.
That's right, Barriss would have a better emphasis on defense comparatively to Vader, thanks to her Soresu. Good point.
Barriss has exemplified greater speed than Vader, in general, and Luke's OT showings demonstrate him as being physically-slow - especially to a classically and expertly trained Jedi like Barriss Offee.
Her greater speed, experience (surviving the Clone Wars) and skill, would be too much for Luke, and she would kill him.
Originally posted by CountDooku22
That's right, Barriss would have a better emphasis on defense comparatively to Vader, thanks to her Soresu. Good point.Barriss has exemplified greater speed than Vader, in general, and Luke's OT showings demonstrate him as being physically-slow - especially to a classically and expertly trained Jedi like Barriss Offee.
Her greater speed, experience (surviving the Clone Wars) and skill, would be too much for Luke, and she would kill him.
Originally posted by Excalibur2776
Just because someone practices in Soresu, doesn't mean they have an AMAZING defense, Vader practices Djem So, Makashi, Juyo, Soresu, Ataru, so it would be hard to believe a inexperienced Barriss Offee would have a better defense just because she practiced a form focused on Defense.
Barriss Offee, by Revenge of the Sith would by no means be inexperienced.
Originally posted by Excalibur2776
Also, Luke has WAY more experience as a lightsaber combat
Barriss Offee: 20 years experience.
Luke: 5 years experience.
🙄 The math is not with you, young one.
😆
And I do agree that Barriss would be faster than Luke.
Also, Barriss only fought one Jedi, a padawan, Ahsoka, and she lost, bbbuuuttt since the brain worms were controling Barriss I don't really count it as actually Barriss fighting. But if you count it as her actuall skills then....she still lost.
If you want to see how many Lightsaber fights Luke has been in in 0 ABY to 4 ABY then go on Wookipedia, search Lightsaber Duels, go under Duels during the rebellion era. Luke won all battles except the ones with Vader which were 2 battles only. So Likes been in 7 battles and Barriss 1, which she lost, but it still wasn't really her.
Originally posted by Excalibur2776
And I do agree that Barriss would be faster than Luke.
Also, Barriss only fought one Jedi, a padawan, Ahsoka, and she lost, bbbuuuttt since the brain worms were controling Barriss I don't really count it as actually Barriss fighting. But if you count it as her actuall skills then....she still lost.If you want to see how many Lightsaber fights Luke has been in in 0 ABY to 4 ABY then go on Wookipedia, search Lightsaber Duels, go under Duels during the rebellion era. Luke won all battles except the ones with Vader which were 2 battles only. So Likes been in 7 battles and Barriss 1, which she lost, but it still wasn't really her.
I can tell you right now that none of the mooks that Luke fought in the Galactic Civil War, can even compare to the dangers Offee faced during the Clone Wars.
One of the Destroyer Droids she tore apart, alone, could obliterate the comparatively-inexperienced Luke.
(Luke got shot by a mook in Return of the Jedi - and if that had been a volley from a Destroyer Droid - he would have been killed.)
The same types of droids that Offee learned to kill casually.
-Barriss Offee was raised from nigh-infancy, to wield a lightsaber, and had an embellished tutorship in the art of fencing, which she grew to excel in, and which enabled her to survive all the dangers of the Clone Wars.
Luke had only had two, actually three, fights that even mattered. And those were with Vader.
The first time Luke fought Vader, the spirit of Obi-wan Kenobi possessed Luke's body and fought for him; otherwise Luke would have died. (Splinter of the Mind's Eye)
The second time, Vader held back on Luke, and Vader still kicked Luke's ass.
The third time, Vader had already begun to realize his feelings of love for Luke as his son, and this affected him:
Darth Vader: A small rebel force has penetrated the shield and landed on Endor.
The Emperor: Yes, I know.
Darth Vader: My son is with them.
The Emperor: Are you sure?
Darth Vader: I have.. felt him, my master.
The Emperor: Strange that I have not.
- I wonder if your feelings on this matter are clear, Lord Vader?
Darth Vader: ..They are clear, my master.
Facing inner turmoil and indecision, Vader held back on his son, and eventually Luke was able to overcome him.
This was confirmed later in the novel, The Courtship of Princess Leia:
Time seemed to slow. His head throbbed, pounding to the same rhythm as the beating of his heart. His face had gone cold, numb, and Luke realized distantly that Gethzerion's spell had ripped open blood vessels in his brain, and he was about to die, one among hundreds of fatalities on this battlefield.
So this is how it would have been, if Vader had tried to kill me.
Who had Luke been kidding?....... - P.237
This is, of course, obvious, as we know later from Vader's battles with Galen Marek, that if Vader had fought Luke, without holding back, as he did with Galen, Luke would not have stood a chance.