Neither of them are very good, but if I had to pick one for action, it'd be Vaughn, tbh.
As far as allegations go, that's awful. I have every reason in the world to despise him as a director, but I hope that if he's innocent, he doesn't get his name dragged through the muck.
Of course, if he's guilty, throw the book at him.
Either way, I hope it's not true. I also hope he doesn't get near any more X-Men movies, but that's different.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I think Singer has a better sense of action than Vaughn does.
First Class had the most exciting action sequences of the series Imo. But I'm sure DOFP will out do it. Thing is Singer knew this one was going to be big, that's why he wanted Vaughn out of the Director's chair. He saw this as his chance to redeem himself in the Director's chair. Because he's not had a success in a long time.
Originally posted by Firefly218
After re watching them, Superman Returns and X2 are actually really well made. The last stand wasn't too bad either.I don't get this supposed Singer hate
Singer didn't do Last Stand. Don't even let me get into how bad that was (due to a line of thinking that Singer started with his movies).
Superman Returns was just a romantic snore fest. He really put people off Superman for a few years with that movie. X2 was a really good sequel though, I'll give him that. But I found X1 pretty boring tbh.
My main issue with Singer's X-Men is how he made it all about Wolverine. X-Men is not supposed to be a solo act, it's supposed to be a team movie. Marvel didn't just make Avengers all about Iron Man. Thor, CA, Hulk all had their parts. IN fact the best fight in the movie was Thor vs Hulk.
Another thing I hated about the original X Trilogy, is how the main villain always ended up being Magneto. X-Men has really good villains to explore so to have 3 movies and only one main super villain was kind of a waste.
First Class changed all that though. I loved First Class. No Wolverine, centered around 2 main characters, and their younger team mates as supporting actors. Plus a different and really cool villain with Shaw. And since Vaughn helped write the script and was iniitally supposed to direct DOFP, I am hopeful that his influence will be seen in this.
1. Superman is boring anyways. I haven't liked any Supes movie except for maybe MoS, because Faora is hot.
2. Wolverine is pretty likable. I don't get the hate he gets. Tbh, comic Wolverine was always a staple since he debuted, and overshadowed many older, far more classically important characters. Rogue, Storm, Angel, Cyclops etc. all outdated him by many years. But Jackman is a good actor, so I don't begrudge him the spotlight.
3. Bryan Singer doesn't look like he could rape anyone physically, but that smile is pretty well a pedo-smile so hes' on my suspect list.
Originally posted by Firefly218
After re watching them, Superman Returns and X2 are actually really well made. The last stand wasn't too bad either.I don't get this supposed Singer hate
They treat the lore like shit, is why.
Not to mention plot holes, bad writing etc.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
1. Superman is boring anyways. I haven't liked any Supes movie except for maybe MoS, because Faora is hot.2. Wolverine is pretty likable. I don't get the hate he gets. Tbh, comic Wolverine was always a staple since he debuted, and overshadowed many older, far more classically important characters. Rogue, Storm, Angel, Cyclops etc. all outdated him by many years. But Jackman is a good actor, so I don't begrudge him the spotlight.
3. Bryan Singer doesn't look like he could rape anyone physically, but that smile is pretty well a pedo-smile so hes' on my suspect list.
Huh? Cyclops almost always gets equal, if not more focus than Wolverine in team books where they both appear. Logan overshadowed a lot of people, sure, but Cyclops was almost always on an even keel with him.
Wolverine was just "cool", etc.
Yeah my bad, that was Ratner who did Last Stand.
Superman Returns was definitely lacking in action, but I still think it was unique, well acted and well made. Much better than the steaming bullshit that was MoS.
I never did understand why Wolverine was the main character, but it didn't necessarily bother me. Jackman is pretty great in the role. First Class is the best X MEN movie, but not because of Wolverine's absence. First class just had a great story and great rapport between cast
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Scott Summers hasn't had his own comic series yet. Wolverine had his for years.Wolverine is more easily identified even to casual comic fans than is Cyclops, in my experience. My aunt even knows who Wolverine is, but Cyclops is nebulous.
I never said he wasn't more popular. He is. Within the comics though, the X-Men comics, Cyclops is still treated as the main if not one of the main characters in almost every major arc they've done over the last 20-30 years.
They can make as many Wolverine movies as they like; more power to them. But when they make an X-Men movie and treat Cyclops the way they have, that's just a shitty adaptation to me. You don't make Justice League and make Batman a shell of the character he is in the lore. Or the Avengers with Cap, etc.
Cyclops did have a mini-series at one point though 😛
Originally posted by Firefly218
Yeah my bad, that was Ratner who did Last Stand.Superman Returns was definitely lacking in action, but I still think it was unique, well acted and well made. Much better than the steaming bullshit that was MoS.
I never did understand why Wolverine was the main character, but it didn't necessarily bother me. Jackman is pretty great in the role. First Class is the best X MEN movie, but not because of Wolverine's absence. First class just had a great story and great rapport between cast
Superman Returns does nothing but reinforce the outdated idea that Superman is a vanilla, boring character that's lacking any real depth.
I'll take MOS, flaws and all, over Superman Returns any day.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
1. Superman is boring anyways. I haven't liked any Supes movie except for maybe MoS, because Faora is hot.
I think many people felt Superman is boring after SR. Before SR... Not so much methinks.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
2. Wolverine is pretty likable. I don't get the hate he gets. Tbh, comic Wolverine was always a staple since he debuted, and overshadowed many older, far more classically important characters. Rogue, Storm, Angel, Cyclops etc. all outdated him by many years. But Jackman is a good actor, so I don't begrudge him the spotlight.
I'm not hating on Wolverine or Jackman. I think Hugh's great as an action star. It's the focusing on one character in a team movie I didn't like. Because then it's not really a team movie. The X-Men films should at the very least have focused on Cyclops and Wolverine. With Storm, Jean Grey and Rogue (the real Rogue who flies and has super strength) being strong supporting roles.
Then make as many solo Wolverine films as you like, but don't rush the Wolverine love at the expense of the team franchise.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
3. Bryan Singer doesn't look like he could rape anyone physically, but that smile is pretty well a pedo-smile so hes' on my suspect list.
It is a dodgy smile.
Originally posted by Stealth MooseWolverine is more easily identified even to casual comic fans than is Cyclops, in my experience. My aunt even knows who Wolverine is, but Cyclops is nebulous.
I'm sure the reason your aunt knows who Wolverine is because all the X-Men films have focused on Wolverine. They haven't really even tried to market any other character. (Of course First Class changed that).
Originally posted by Firefly218
First Class is the best X MEN movie, but not because of Wolverine's absence. First class just had a great story and great rapport between cast
Yes but Wolverine's absence made them focus on the story, and create rapport between the other characters. All that happens a lot more easily when the film creators aren't just focused on marketing one character.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
(the real Rogue who flies and has super strength) being strong supporting roles.
The movie presented the "real' Rouge. She only gets those powers after absorbing Ms. Marvel's and for some reason she kept them permanently.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I'm sure the reason your aunt knows who Wolverine is because all the X-Men films have focused on Wolverine. They haven't really even tried to market any other character. (Of course First Class changed that).
Wolverine was by far the most popular and famous of the X-men prior to the movies.
I understand Xmen fans hating on Wolverine stealing the limelight but when you start a movie franchise based on a school of gifted kids then it jus falls natural on the eldest & most mature to "lead" the team.
Jackman does his role well & unfortunately to the fans, that's what marketing is all about.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I understand Xmen fans hating on Wolverine stealing the limelight but when you start a movie franchise based on a school of gifted kids then it jus falls natural on the eldest & most mature to "lead" the team.
Jackman does his role well & unfortunately to the fans, that's what marketing is all about.
...Huh?
Originally posted by -Pr-
...Huh?
Did you honestly expect Halle Barry or a cast of young noobie actors to carry the franchise & Hugh Jackman take a backseat as Wolverine.
I guess if they casted a relatively unknown actor to play Wolverine, that would've given the rest of the Xmen characters a better chance to shine.