X-Men: Days of Future Past

Originally posted by Quincy
Man I'm not sure you're picking up on the issue of logical problems.

That's basically like if someone said "I ate a banana because my favorite color isn't blue."

I'd say "Oh, well that's your reason but that doesn't make any sense."

So when Wolverine tosses Quicksilver the keys and is like

"Go home kid, we've got it. We don't need the assist."

Logically someone would say "What? Really? Homeboy stops time. We don't need YOU man. Take the weird silver haired kid with GOD powers."

What was the explanation for Kitty's power that was provided in the movie?

Magneto put his own Metal inside the sentinels. Got it. But wouldn't they still try to shoot him?

And what was the actual explanation for Wolverine suddenly jumping 40 years into the future again?

These effectively ARE complaints. That's like, how I began this conversation. My complaint is that logically this stuff didn't make sense.

Wrong it was a morality thing with QS. He was young. They already lost several mutants. They didn't want to put him in harms way. Makes perfect sense even tho it was a dumb move.

Kitty's mutant power "phasing" got stronger and now she could "phase thru time"

They didn't shoot Magneto cuz they couldn't. He controlled them. He did lose control of one and it tried to attack him. It was made pretty clear.

They Expalin in the beginning of the film that when she phases your mind thru time your conciousness basically is jumping from your older body to your younger body and if the connection is broken your mind jumps back. His connection was broken due to events changing hence his mind jumping back to the present.

Originally posted by juggerman
Wrong it was a morality thing with QS. He was young. They already lost several mutants. They didn't want to put him in harms way. Makes perfect sense even tho it was a dumb move.

Kitty's mutant power "phasing" got stronger and now she could "phase thru time"

They didn't shoot Magneto cuz they couldn't. He controlled them. He did lose control of one and it tried to attack him. It was made pretty clear.

They Expalin in the beginning of the film that when she phases your mind thru time your conciousness basically is jumping from your older body to your younger body and if the connection is broken your mind jumps back. His connection was broken due to events changing hence his mind jumping back to the present.

Right...but like, what danger is Quicksilver in? Who can beat him? Wouldn't their morality think "Hey, it's either risk this guy who is low-risk of being in danger, or risk the entire future existence of everyone ever."

Also, the X-Men is about kids being trained to use their powers to be helpful. It's right there in the conceit.

I can get behind the Magneto and the time jump consciousness thing, that makes more sense to me, I got it.

What the heck? The mission had nothing to do with Quicksilver. A kid who they just met and a pretty big wild card to say the least.

Besides their mission was never to simply stop Raven physically. If that was their mission Wolverine could have just gone and done that himself.

The mission was to CHANGE Ravens mind about what she's doing and the path she's on. That's why they needed Charles and Eric, her 2 mentors. They actually were able to physically stop the assassination both times without needing Quicksilver.

But alas for story purposes the (un)expected happens and its Eric whose the real wild card (even knowing the future and where his path leads) and he's the one who interrupts the plan both times.

So was QS, Mag's son?

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
you sure you bought a copy instead of torrenting it??? 😆 😂

FIX is releasing the "Rogue" cut next May I believe

I bought the real thing but it has no deleted scenes.

Originally posted by juggerman
Wrong it was a morality thing with QS. He was young. They already lost several mutants. They didn't want to put him in harms way. Makes perfect sense even tho it was a dumb move.

Yes, dumb move. PIS to the max. I understand that, now. Thanks to those that explained this to me.

Originally posted by juggerman
Kitty's mutant power "phasing" got stronger and now she could "phase thru time"

Secondary mutant powers were a thing already established in the X-men movies. Sure, it makes little logical sense that her powers of being able to make herself intangible have no relationship with telepathically projecting another person's mind back in time; but secondary mutant powers are already a thing.

I think people should get to legitimately complain about her powers being unrelated. It doesn't mean it is a plothole: just something that does not sit well with people. They could have easily had Bishop's character do that because he is supposed to come from the future. 😐 They made a stupid and illogical choice with using Kitty for this...but it wasn't a plothole.

Originally posted by juggerman
They didn't shoot Magneto cuz they couldn't. He controlled them. He did lose control of one and it tried to attack him. It was made pretty clear.

Actually, he reprogrammed those shits. Yes, Magneto in the films is literally that broken. It wasn't just simply making them move when they wanted to move. They also fired their guns and used their jets...something that would have required Magneto interface with the electronics, themselves, as there are no magical robotic actuators or triggers: those are controlled with logic boards that use binary IO (I'm trying to be realistic with what technology they would have had, back then...they would have had simple logic boards...but they had AI....which means they had tech/AI far more advanced than anything we have now...weird plothole).

Originally posted by juggerman
They Expalin in the beginning of the film that when she phases your mind thru time your conciousness basically is jumping from your older body to your younger body and if the connection is broken your mind jumps back. His connection was broken due to events changing hence his mind jumping back to the present.

Yeah, that's not a plot hole. As soon as the future timeline ceased to exist, Kitty is no longer actively projecting Wolverine's consciousness through time so, naturally, Wolverine will jump back to his new future. There was no plothole, there.

Originally posted by Quincy
Right...but like, what danger is Quicksilver in? Who can beat him? Wouldn't their morality think "Hey, it's either risk this guy who is low-risk of being in danger, or risk the entire future existence of everyone ever."

Also, the X-Men is about kids being trained to use their powers to be helpful. It's right there in the conceit.

Same thing could basically be said about Azazel yet he was capped. If you look at it solely from an "in movie" viewpoint then it's easier to understand where they are coming from. Xavier didn't want to lead a team or have mutant kids around. That's why he disbanded the school in the first place. Sure he would change up later but at that point it makes sense that his bitter ass would want QS to leave.

And iirc he was a bit annoying to the group so I can imagine they would want him gone for that reason alone. I have to watch the movie again because I feel like I'm forgetting stuff tho.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, dumb move. PIS to the max. I understand that, now. Thanks to those that explained this to me.

Anything for you.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Secondary mutant powers were a thing already established in the X-men movies. Sure, it makes little logical sense that her powers of being able to make herself intangible have no relationship with telepathically projecting another person's mind back in time; but secondary mutant powers are already a thing.

I think people should get to legitimately complain about her powers being unrelated. It doesn't mean it is a plothole: just something that does not sit well with people. They could have easily had Bishop's character do that because he is supposed to come from the future. 😐 They made a stupid and illogical choice with using Kitty for this...but it wasn't a plothole.

Good point.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, he reprogrammed those shits. Yes, Magneto in the films is literally that broken. It wasn't just simply making them move when they wanted to move. They also fired their guns and used their jets...something that would have required Magneto interface with the electronics, themselves, as there are no magical robotic actuators or triggers: those are controlled with logic boards that use binary IO (I'm trying to be realistic with what technology they would have had, back then...they would have had simple logic boards...but they had AI....which means they had tech/AI far more advanced than anything we have now...weird plothole).

I thought he reprogramed them but I wasn't 100%. Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yeah, that's not a plot hole. As soon as the future timeline ceased to exist, Kitty is no longer actively projecting Wolverine's consciousness through time so, naturally, Wolverine will jump back to his new future. There was no plothole, there.

Yerp

Looks like its Summer for the new release with the restored footage

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=58097

Great, I have to wait another 6 months to buy the film. I refuse to buy it twice.

I have one gripe with this film, which is unrelated to the ones mentioned in the last few pages. Where the hell were the sentinels during the several decades in between their creation and the future in DoFP? Other than the one danger room simulation, they are never mentioned or seen (at least not that I can recall).

It especially irked me where Charles and Eric pitch up at the end of The Wolverine, in their armor and ready for combat, yet Logan doesn't know anything about it, and neither does the world at large it seems. Yet somehow, between the end of The Wolverine and the beginning of DoFP, the world turned into some terrible dystopia, ruled by the sentinels (something there were absolutely no signs of in any of the previous films).

On an unrelated note, one person did put forward an interesting theory on why Charles needed the wheelchair, despite being in a different body. Maybe all the time spent in the coma resulted in severe muscle atrophy (the worst of it in his lower body), making him unable to walk.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

It especially irked me where Charles and Eric pitch up at the end of The Wolverine, in their armor and ready for combat, yet Logan doesn't know anything about it, and neither does the world at large it seems. Yet somehow, between the end of The Wolverine and the beginning of DoFP, the world turned into some terrible dystopia, ruled by the sentinels (something there were absolutely no signs

With that one, Just seem to me Trask came into power his Sentinel idea's and it was the beginning of bigger things to come in that Timeline

no use worrying about it since the X-men movies have always been out of whack with the continuity.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I have one gripe with this film, which is unrelated to the ones mentioned in the last few pages. Where the hell were the sentinels during the several decades in between their creation and the future in DoFP? Other than the one danger room simulation, they are never mentioned or seen (at least not that I can recall).

It especially irked me where Charles and Eric pitch up at the end of The Wolverine, in their armor and ready for combat, yet Logan doesn't know anything about it, and neither does the world at large it seems. Yet somehow, between the end of The Wolverine and the beginning of DoFP, the world turned into some terrible dystopia, ruled by the sentinels (something there were absolutely no signs of in any of the previous films).

On an unrelated note, one person did put forward an interesting theory on why Charles needed the wheelchair, despite being in a different body. Maybe all the time spent in the coma resulted in severe muscle atrophy (the worst of it in his lower body), making him unable to walk.

The government went from 70s Sentinel straight to future Sentinels because they didn't feel the 70s Sentinels were well equipped to fight mutants after the Magneto incident. The Sentinels in the Danger Room scene is just a practice test and not a direct copy of Sentinel models. This is my explanation of it. It might change with movie review but for now I'll think of it this way.

The Rogue Cut of the movie to be 17 mins longer

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/the-rogue-cut-of-x-men-days-of-future-past-will-be-17-minutes-longer-106

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I have one gripe with this film, which is unrelated to the ones mentioned in the last few pages. Where the hell were the sentinels during the several decades in between their creation and the future in DoFP? Other than the one danger room simulation, they are never mentioned or seen (at least not that I can recall).

It especially irked me where Charles and Eric pitch up at the end of The Wolverine, in their armor and ready for combat, yet Logan doesn't know anything about it, and neither does the world at large it seems. Yet somehow, between the end of The Wolverine and the beginning of DoFP, the world turned into some terrible dystopia, ruled by the sentinels (something there were absolutely no signs of in any of the previous films).

On an unrelated note, one person did put forward an interesting theory on why Charles needed the wheelchair, despite being in a different body. Maybe all the time spent in the coma resulted in severe muscle atrophy (the worst of it in his lower body), making him unable to walk.

The project was axed by nixon until trask was killed by mystique. After that the government started the program and perfected the sentinels until they were nearly unstoppable que rogue to be captured and another upgrade added. Some event triggered a war and thats when then sentinels took over. It took years and planning in the orignal timeline. So the sentinels were there just hidden and under devolpment.