Just looked and the only thing i can find is the scene where Will stabs Jones from behind and Jones round house kicks him. It wasn't an actual duel. If your talking about a different scene lemme know but so far there isn't anything putting either of these two above Barbossa in terms of skill. But honestly either of thses two can kill Barbossa by using their "powers"
Originally posted by juggermanWhy doesn't that matter ?
Doesn't matter
Originally posted by NemeBroDoesn't Jones also have a peg leg ? Do you think Barbossa would straight up merc Blackbeard minus the shitty leg.
He was sort of crippled at the time.Jones is the best swordsman though. He is to date the only character to have beaten Will Turner in a battle of blades.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why doesn't that matter ?
The main reason is because iirc the only time Barbossa encountered Black Beard before poisoning the sword was when Black Beard took the Pearl. All Barbossa knew about the guy was the same legends everyone knew and he knew he could control objects(dunno if he was aware the extent). He never had any real reason to suspect BB's skills were above his since he hadn't actually fought him yet or seen him fight. And knowingBBe can use objcts to "fight" for him Barbossa might only get one shot so he wanted to ensure it's success.
Add into that the fact that BB had zombies to fight for him as well and that Barbossa in all likely hood was not at his best seeing as how he lost a leg the next encounter may not have ever come down to an actual sword fight. He needed any and all advantages he could gather in case he had even the slightest chance to even nick BB before possibly becoming entangled again or overcome by minions.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Doesn't Jones also have a peg leg ? Do you think Barbossa would straight up merc Blackbeard minus the shitty leg.
In all likely hood Jones had much more time to become efficient and skilled while on a peg leg. I don't recall how much time passed for Barbossa but iirc he wasn't fully used to it yet and it still hindered him greatly
Originally posted by juggermanSo to make a long story short you really like Barbossa. The guy knew he'd need to cheat to beat him. Bottom line. He met him before and knew he wasn't as good with a sword as Blackbeard.
The main reason is because iirc the only time Barbossa encountered Black Beard before poisoning the sword was when Black Beard took the Pearl. All Barbossa knew about the guy was the same legends everyone knew and he knew he could control objects(dunno if he was aware the extent). He never had any real reason to suspect BB's skills were above his since he hadn't actually fought him yet or seen him fight. And knowingBBe can use objcts to "fight" for him Barbossa might only get one shot so he wanted to ensure it's success.Add into that the fact that BB had zombies to fight for him as well and that Barbossa in all likely hood was not at his best seeing as how he lost a leg the next encounter may not have ever come down to an actual sword fight. He needed any and all advantages he could gather in case he had even the slightest chance to even nick BB before possibly becoming entangled again or overcome by minions.
In all likely hood Jones had much more time to become efficient and skilled while on a peg leg. I don't recall how much time passed for Barbossa but iirc he wasn't fully used to it yet and it still hindered him greatly
Yeah i do like Barbossa but i like Jones more. I think Blackbeard sucks but that's mostly because i think the 4th film sucks. Basically you are tring to claim Barbossa needed to poison his sword cuz he knew Blackbeard was better but he had no way of knowing that. All he really knew at the time was he could control shit with the sword.
Originally posted by juggermanWhy else cheat to gain an unfair advantage ? I wouldn't cheat against someone I knew I'd destroy that's for sure.
Yeah i do like Barbossa but i like Jones more. I think Blackbeard sucks but that's mostly because i think the 4th film sucks. Basically you are tring to claim Barbossa needed to poison his sword cuz he knew Blackbeard was better but he had no way of knowing that. All he really knew at the time was he could control shit with the sword.
Originally posted by juggermanTheir fight and that fact.
So is there any other reason you think Blackbeard is superior besides Barbossa stacking the deck against an opponent whose skill level he's completely unaware of?
I do agree that the 4th film was garbage as was Blackbeard.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why else cheat to gain an unfair advantage ? I wouldn't cheat against someone I knew I'd destroy that's for sure. Their fight and that fact.
He just lost his leg. He had every reason to stack the deck in his favor seeing as how he was limited in a way he hasn't been before. beard only won the fight due to Bossa's handicap. I assumed this was pre peg Bossa. If it is post then yeah he may not be able to hang in a pure duel.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I do agree that the 4th film was garbage as was Blackbeard.
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Originally posted by juggermanHe didn't seem to be handicapped in any way thew sword fight I saw him in. He seemed to be generally as effective as he was before.
He just lost his leg. He had every reason to stack the deck in his favor seeing as how he was limited in a way he hasn't been before. beard only won the fight due to Bossa's handicap. I assumed this was pre peg Bossa. If it is post then yeah he may not be able to hang in a pure duel.👆
This is pre peg leg.
He was hobbling around and on a crutch. It severly limited his movements. Watch how he fought Jack in 1. They both were running and jumping all thru the cave. Watch his fight at the end of 3. He was moving about fighting multiple opponents while marrying Turner and Swan. In 4 he was very still in comparison. He relied heavily on the crutch. Once it was taken away he could barely stand.
Besides beating a weakened Barbossa thru weakness exploitation Blackbeard has no sword fighting feats iirc. People feared him mostly cuz of his legend and his "magic". He's the weak link here.
Originally posted by juggermanIn terms of his sword fighting to me it seemed the same. He was never really effective running all over creation. I think it's close between the two but still favor Blackbeard due to him cheating.
He was hobbling around and on a crutch. It severly limited his movements. Watch how he fought Jack in 1. They both were running and jumping all thru the cave. Watch his fight at the end of 3. He was moving about fighting multiple opponents while marrying Turner and Swan. In 4 he was very still in comparison. He relied heavily on the crutch. Once it was taken away he could barely stand.Besides beating a weakened Barbossa thru weakness exploitation Blackbeard has no sword fighting feats iirc. People feared him mostly cuz of his legend and his "magic". He's the weak link here.
Originally posted by juggermanI think Jones is the clear favorite. I don't see both of them beating Jones if they tag teamed him.
Barbossa is a cheater as well. And i think peak Barbossa is above Blackbeard by a good margin. I also think he is above Jones in the skill department. But he would lose this fight since Jones is stronger and has more advantages than the other two.
What fights do you think Barbossa was just magnificent in ?
Jones seemed just as skilled as any of them. There is no huge advantage in skill with these three.
Barbossa did much better against Sparrow than Jones imo. Also he was taking out multiple enemies in the final battle of 3 while marrying the couple and trying to steer the ship iirc. It's been a while since i've seen it tho. He did some 'between the legs' stab to a guy coming up behing him. Then it is strongly implied that had his entire crew attacked him in the cave he still would have won.
In terms of sword play Barbossa has feats out the ass. Jone was more of a walking juggernaut except for his duel with Sparrow iirc. And Blackbeard wasn't very impressive at all
Originally posted by juggermanBlackbeard took Barbossa on. I don't care for feats actually I always go for peer by peer comparisons.
Barbossa did much better against Sparrow than Jones imo. Also he was taking out multiple enemies in the final battle of 3 while marrying the couple and trying to steer the ship iirc. It's been a while since i've seen it tho. He did some 'between the legs' stab to a guy coming up behing him. Then it is strongly implied that had his entire crew attacked him in the cave he still would have won.In terms of sword play Barbossa has feats out the ass. Jone was more of a walking juggernaut except for his duel with Sparrow iirc. And Blackbeard wasn't very impressive at all
They are all in the same class.