Originally posted by juggermanNo, it shows Blackbeard fights pretty evenly with no real lack of formidability on Barbossa's behalf. I wouldn't try to stack the deck against an inferior. Would you ?
No spin.Lack of confidence does not mean his skills were indeed inferior.
Their fight should not be thrown away. It shows Blackbeard fights pretty evenly against a less than 100% Barbossa
It's more to the point the Blacbeard did nothing. Barbossa held his own against Sparrow who is one of the best duelists in the series. He also was fighting multiple opponents at the end of 3 while distracted and didn't sustain an injury. Blackbeard has nothing under his belt to suggest he is on the same level.
Originally posted by juggermanDue to his limited screen time. abc logic isn't necessary when we have a direct comparison.
It's more to the point the Blacbeard did nothing. Barbossa held his own against Sparrow who is one of the best duelists in the series. He also was fighting multiple opponents at the end of 3 while distracted and didn't sustain an injury. Blackbeard has nothing under his belt to suggest he is on the same level.
Originally posted by juggermanThat's if you ignore their fight and Barbossa having to cheat to win.
A direct comparison when one of them is at 100% and the other is not. I'm not saying Blackbeard "couldn't" do these things i'm saying he "hasn't been shown to do anything close so we cannot just assume it is within his skill/power"
Barbossa was at a disadvantage with the loss of his leg. Him "cheating" makes sense since he was going after someone with a few advantages over him. Georges St-Pierre could kick almost anyone's ass, but if he recently lost a leg and fought before he was fully used to a fake leg he would probably lose to many people he'd normally destroy. Their "skill" wouldn't need to surpass his to win either especially if they could give him a good fight when he was at his best
Originally posted by juggermanBut we didn't see any dramatic slip in skill with a sword in his fight. It's comparing apples to oranges.
Barbossa was at a disadvantage with the loss of his leg. Him "cheating" makes sense since he was going after someone with a few advantages over him. Georges St-Pierre could kick almost anyone's ass, but if he recently lost a leg and fought before he was fully used to a fake leg he would probably lose to many people he'd normally destroy. Their "skill" wouldn't need to surpass his to win either especially if they could give him a good fight when he was at his best
Originally posted by juggermanI don't see him struggling to hold true to form here. He's doing fine. Feel free to point out at which point do you feel it's obvious in the Blackbeard fight.
We see a dramatic slip in his stance, balance, and mobility which are all essential in sword fighting. It is apples to oranges but the analogy holds true. If Westley lost a leg and then lost to Inigo Montoya it would be the same thing.
Originally posted by juggermanIf this were a race on foot you'd have a point but since it's a sword fight to which he looked all the same in terms of effectiveness then I stand by my sound reasoning.
He doesn't have to visibly struggle to not be at his best. The entire movie he is leaning on a crutch and hobbling. He is still using the crutch as support in the fight. He's never had to lean before therefore he is shown to have his stance, balance, and mobility hindered.
Originally posted by juggermanWe do agree Jones wins but you have to give his sword fighting the eye test. He's just as effective as he was in the first 2 movies.
Beg to differ then. You say being on a peg leg and a crutch affected his ability in no way. I respectfully disagree. Jones wins either way