Fingolfin vs Garrosh Hellscream

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
This whole "hitting the ground so hard lava spews out" is just a trope. I think a character strong enough to do that would have to pierce at least, what, thousands of kilometers of Earth's crust? Morgoth hitting the ground that hard would have caused a veritable extinction event.

Maybe. Cenarius is a bit of a pussy.

So? Thrall could level whole keeps as well and an all-in, charged attack from him merely made a tiny scratch on Mannoroth's wing. Mannoroth would steamroll Galadriel. Oh, and did she need her Ring to level castles?

Enchanted sword? Oh, big ****ing deal.

Of course they ran. Evil in Tolkien's work is usually depicted as petty and craven(especially when faced with awesome righteousness). They could have zerged Finglofin, but chose to piss off instead.

All Grom needs is to land a good hit on Fingolfin and it's GG. Not saying that he would necessarily get that hit in, of course, but if he does, elf boy is toast.

Well, along with what Scream said, the area Fingolfin fought in, Thangorodrim, was volcanically active, so I dunno. Even aside from that, he's already fighting and parrying strikes from a giant walking hill.

Could he do it with pure strength? Because that's how Galadriel levelled Dol Guldur. I don't know if Nenya boosts her physical strength, but she's from the First Age and a high-ranking member of the House of Finarfin, and Elves from that time period do crazy stuff.

It's not that they were petty, it's just that Fingolfin was just that pissed off.

Grom lacks the strength to even harm Fingolfin. Meanwhile, Fingolfin needs but hit Grom once and he's a stain on the ground.

Originally posted by Placidity
Yawn

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That guy would literally step on all of them.

And Morgoth in his prime would literally crush Archimonde to death with one hand. Don't know why you're bringing him up though.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Oh, but where exactly does lava show up? Because I think that the upper layers of Earth's Mantle are solid?

Wikipedia.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Well, along with what Scream said, the area Fingolfin fought in, Thangorodrim, was volcanically active, so I dunno. Even aside from that, he's already fighting and parrying strikes from a giant walking hill.

Could he do it with pure strength? Because that's how Galadriel levelled Dol Guldur. I don't know if Nenya boosts her physical strength, but she's from the First Age and a high-ranking member of the House of Finarfin, and Elves from that time period do crazy stuff.

It's not that they were petty, it's just that Fingolfin was just that pissed off.

Grom lacks the strength to even harm Fingolfin. Meanwhile, Fingolfin needs but hit Grom once and he's a stain on the ground.

And Morgoth in his prime would literally crush Archimonde to death with one hand. Don't know why you're bringing him up though.

Well, then for all we know the lava could have been just barely below the ground. It would certainly make much more sense that way.

Pure strength may not exactly be Thrall's forte, but he could probably smash things with Doomhammer until they fall over. He leveled a castle with magic as Thrall is an extraordinarily powerful shaman, but even he barely managed to make a paper cut on Mannoroth's wing(and Nature magic, something that shamans like Thrall do, is perhaps the greatest weakness of Demons in the Warcraft universe).

Yeah, I bet Fingolfin was pissed, but the main thing is that the army he faced were a bunch of cowards. Like master, like servants.

If Grom lands the same strike on Fingolfin that killed Mannoroth, elf boy would suddenly be two elf boys.

Morgoth in his prime is called Melkor. Too bad he squandered his power on bullshit.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Pure strength may not exactly be Thrall's forte, but he could probably smash things with Doomhammer until they fall over. He leveled a castle with magic as Thrall is an extraordinarily powerful shaman, but even he barely managed to make a paper cut on Mannoroth's wing(and Nature magic, something that shamans like Thrall do, is perhaps the greatest weakness of Demons in the Warcraft universe).

If Grom lands the same strike on Fingolfin that killed Mannoroth, elf boy would suddenly be two elf boys.

Morgoth in his prime is called Melkor. Too bad he squandered his power on bullshit.

Which is funny, since Thrall actually hurt Archimonde in Warcraft 3. All he did was throw his hammer at Mannoroth though, nothing extraordinary.

Prove Mannoroth is as durable as Fingolfin please.

He spent his power on bending everything, every single molecule in existence slightly to his will, thereby creating the concept of evil within Arda. Hardly what I'd call bullshit. sneer

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Which is funny, since Thrall actually hurt Archimonde in Warcraft 3. All he did was throw his hammer at Mannoroth though, nothing extraordinary.

Prove Mannoroth is as durable as Fingolfin please.

He spent his power on bending everything, every single molecule in existence slightly to his will, thereby creating the concept of evil within Arda. Hardly what I'd call bullshit. sneer

He put all of his anger and power into that hammer. 'Hurt' is a bit of a relative term as Archimonde just chuckled at the whole thing and wasn't injured in the slightest.

Lesser Pit Lords have withstood magical attacks from fully grown Blue Dragons and Mannoroth laughed off an all-out attack from the most powerful mortal Shaman(an attack, which, as a Demon, Mannoroth should have been particularly susceptible to). The fact that Grom managed to kill Mannoroth in a single blow like that is very PISy, but hey, that's fiction for you.

All for naught. Basically bullshit.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
He put all of his anger and power into that hammer. 'Hurt' is a bit of a relative term as Archimonde just chuckled at the whole thing and wasn't injured in the slightest.

Lesser Pit Lords have withstood magical attacks from fully grown Blue Dragons and Mannoroth laughed off an all-out attack from the most powerful mortal Shaman(an attack, which, as a Demon, Mannoroth should have been particularly susceptible to). The fact that Grom managed to kill Mannoroth in a single blow like that is very PISy, but hey, that's fiction for you.

All for naught. Basically bullshit.

Nope, Archimonde was explicitly surprised by Thrall's power and how it actually hurt him. Of course, it'd be like that of a mosquito bite, but hey. Also, how exactly did Thrall bust a castle?

Don't know what that means. What have Blue Dragons done?

Nah, Morgoth forever corrupted Arda, ensuring he accomplished one of his goals, to destroy the works of his father and siblings.

Fingolfin by feats is more powerful than a Balrog or Gandalf, and when one fought the latter, a mountain was leveled by their fight.

Fingolfin fought and parried blows from a being more powerful than any Balrog, he crushes Grom.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Nope, Archimonde was explicitly surprised by Thrall's power and how it actually hurt him. Of course, it'd be like that of a mosquito bite, but hey. Also, how exactly did Thrall bust a castle?

Don't know what that means. What have Blue Dragons done?

Nah, Morgoth forever corrupted Arda, ensuring he accomplished one of his goals, to destroy the works of his father and siblings.

Yeah, Archimonde was surprised, but that's about it. I think he made the Earth itself consume and shatter the whole place. Though Thrall has done some far crazier stuff since.

They can do a lot. Suffice it to say that making the ground shatter would be nothing more than a parlor trick to a fully grown Blue Dragon.

Arda is doing just fine after they kicked out Sauron for good.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Fingolfin by feats is more powerful than a Balrog or Gandalf, and when one fought the latter, a mountain was leveled by their fight.

Fingolfin fought and parried blows from a being more powerful than any Balrog, he crushes Grom.

I've been reading and it only says that the Balrog broke the mountain-side as he fell down. And apparently some tower was shattered too, but that's not exactly mountain-busting material.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Yeah, Archimonde was surprised, but that's about it. I think he made the Earth itself consume and shatter the whole place. Though Thrall has done some far crazier stuff since.

They can do a lot. Suffice it to say that making the ground shatter would be nothing more than a parlor trick to a fully grown Blue Dragon.

Arda is doing just fine after they kicked out Sauron for good.

So he utilized the environment with his magic. That doesn't necessarily mean Thrall's attack on Mannoroth was castle-busting.

Nah, every negative act that happens is a result of Morgoth's omnipresent influence. He literally created the concept of "bad".

Also, how's Grom's durability? Taking his PIS attack against Mannoroth into account, he has strength, but Fingolfin has both strength and toughness.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
So he utilized the environment with his magic. That doesn't necessarily mean Thrall's attack on Mannoroth was castle-busting.

Nah, every negative act that happens is a result of Morgoth's omnipresent influence. He literally created the concept of "bad".

Also, how's Grom's durability? Taking his PIS attack against Mannoroth into account, he has strength, but Fingolfin has both strength and toughness.

Not necessarily, no, but like I've said, lesser Pit Lords can shrug off attacks from beings that can most definitely bust castles in a pinch.

What a naughty bastard, that Morgoth.

Probably not very good. If Fingolfin guts him, it's over.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I've been reading and it only says that the Balrog broke the mountain-side as he fell down. And apparently some tower was shattered too, but that's not exactly mountain-busting material.

What is your point?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yes, he destroyed a mountain. One side of it was leveled, making it no longer a mountain, but rather a cliff.

What is your point?

The point is that's very different from what I imagine mountain-busting is. Falling down and destroying a mountain-side(how big was it? How big was the mountain itself?) is different from being able to destroy an actual mountain. Hell, they didn't even destroy the mountain-side by fighting, it was destroyed by Balrog falling down. Must have been one hell of a fatass.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The point is that's very different from what I imagine mountain-busting is.

He tossed the Balrog with his might, and destroyed the mountain.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't care what you imagine.

He tossed the Balrog with his might, and destroyed the mountain.

The Balrog fell down and destroyed what was probably a small portion of the actual mountain with its fat ass.

The side of the mountain.

Aka half.

Cry moar, Fingolfin wins.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer

And Morgoth in his prime would literally crush Archimonde to death with one hand.

Literally with one hand? You know Archimonde is freaking gigantic right? He'd squash him with his boot.

Literally with his boot? You know that Morgoth in his prime was described as being as large as a mountain with his head going above the clouds right? He'd squash him with his finger.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The side of the mountain.

Aka half.

Cry moar, Fingolfin wins.

Side of the mountain could be half or could be less than half. We don't know the shape or the size of the mountain. Maybe it was already damaged from the fighting and the Balrog falling down on it was enough to collapse it.

Well yeah, he probably does win as he has millennia of combat experience and Grom doesn't have the durability.

Originally posted by Placidity
Literally with one hand? You know Archimonde is freaking gigantic right? He'd squash him with his boot.

That's when he was still Melkor, I believe. He had Godlike power back then.