Fingolfin vs Garrosh Hellscream

Started by ares8344 pages

Yes. But so what? It's still the same character. Plus the fact that FA specifically said "Morogth in his prime" tends to indicate he is referring to Melkor.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Could he do it with pure strength? Because that's how Galadriel levelled Dol Guldur. I don't know if Nenya boosts her physical strength, but she's from the First Age and a high-ranking member of the House of Finarfin, and Elves from that time period do crazy stuff.

Eh, pretty certain Galadriel used magic to destroy Dol Goldur. The wording Tolkien uses in that sequence parallels the wording he uses when Luthien magically destroys Tol-in-Gaurhoth.

Originally posted by Placidity
Literally with one hand? You know Archimonde is freaking gigantic right? He'd squash him with his boot.
Morgoth/Melkor at the peak of his power was a walking mountain whose feet could stand on the ocean floor, and his head would still pierce the clouds, lol.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Morgoth/Melkor at the peak of his power was a walking mountain whose feet could stand on the ocean floor, and his head would still pierce the clouds, lol.

And was it Morgoth or Melkor that Fingoldfish fought and being bragged about?

They are the same being! So yes, Fingolfin did fight Melkor, just not in his prime.

Originally posted by Placidity
And was it Morgoth or Melkor that Fingoldfish fought and being bragged about?

He fought Morgoth. Even though Morgoth and Melkor is the same person, Morgoth is but a shadow of who he was when he was still called Melkor. This is why this distinction between the two names is usually made.

Lol, nobody short of Eru could stand up to Morgoth at his most powerful.

Anyways, I do not know much about Grom, but Fingolfin is quite difficult to beat.

Caradhras was the largest mountain in Middle Earth, IIRC. The clouds were WAY below its peak. It was at least Mount Everest size, if not larger.
So that balrog crushing the side? Thats a big area.

Can anyone in LOTR beat Sargeras or the Titans? Or maybe the Old Gods like C'thun or Yogg Saron?

Originally posted by Chozone
Can anyone in LOTR beat Sargeras or the Titans? Or maybe the Old Gods like C'thun or Yogg Saron?

LotR has a being who's basically God, so yes.

Melkor of course would also easily kill them all.

Fingolfin could likely take on most of the Titans, with his physical might that destroys continents.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Melkor of course would also easily kill them all.

Fingolfin could likely take on most of the Titans, with his physical might that destroys continents.

Right, right...

Don't forget that Earendil wears Venus on his crown. Wouldn't want to get headbutt by that guy...biscuits

Earendil takes down dragons that can crush massive mountain ranges with their weight, and slay cosmic horrors capable of eating light and exhaling void.

He'd wreck Sargeras.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Earendil takes down dragons that can crush massive mountain [B]fortresses with their weight, and slay cosmic horrors capable of eating light and exhaling void.

He'd wreck Sargeras. [/B]

Fixed it 😉

Crushing Utumno was an indication of just how big this guy was.

Glaurung, the Father of Dragons, had to slowly pull his bulk over a gorge like a worm (wyrm)

While I do disagree with NemeBro about the particulars of Fingolfin's strength (I think he dodged the hammer more often. Still a speed feat)
He is quite strong, being one of the more powerful elves at the time.

Melkor and the Valar had an argument once.... It sank the continent of Beleriand. Most call it the War of Wrath, but it was really jsut an argument 😄

Originally posted by Pwned
Fixed it 😉

Crushing Utumno was an indication of just how big this guy

Utumno was Morgoth's first fortress from before the First Age. Ancalagon shattered Thangorodrim, the mountain range consisting of three volcanoes (Apparently 30000 feet high. For reference, Everest is 25000 feet) that sheltered Angbad.

Where does 30000 come from? But yeah, they are the biggest mountains in ME and therefore should be taller than Everist. But I don't think they necessarily have to have a higher elevation.

Originally posted by Pwned
Melkor and the Valar had an argument once.... It sank the [B]continent of Beleriand. Most call it the War of Wrath, but it was really jsut an argument 😄 [/B]

Eh? It was a full on war.

Originally posted by ares834
Where does 30000 come from?

Wiki, comes from a scaled drawing of Tolkien's.

And got it wrong, was 35000 feet.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Earendil takes down dragons that can crush massive mountain ranges with their weight, and slay cosmic horrors capable of eating light and exhaling void.

He'd wreck Sargeras.

He'd better bring his A game if he wants to even scratch Sargeras. That dragon he slew wouldn't even be a blip on the radar next to Sargeras.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
The point is that's very different from what I imagine mountain-busting is. Falling down and destroying a mountain-side(how big was it? How big was the mountain itself?) is different from being able to destroy an actual mountain. Hell, they didn't even destroy the mountain-side by fighting, it was destroyed by Balrog falling down. Must have been one hell of a fatass.

It was the mountain under which Moria was built, wasn't it? I'm not sure what range that is or its scale from others on Middle Earth.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Utumno was Morgoth's first fortress from before the First Age. Ancalagon shattered Thangorodrim, the mountain range consisting of three volcanoes (Apparently 30000 feet high. For reference, Everest is 25000 feet) that sheltered Angbad.
Eh, it's been a while since I gave the Silmarillion a read-through.