I completely agree on all accounts.
But I actually like Elseworlds exactly for the reason you mentioned though lol.
I really like seeing the heroes being heroes in different settings and universes.
I hope one time DC does something like a team consisting of Elseworlds heroes like Red Son and Vamp Bat and takes on villains in the DCU.
Originally posted by comicfan11The closest thing we saw to that was during Countdown: Arena. But yeah, I dug Elseworlds too 👆
I hope one time DC does something like a team consisting of Elseworlds heroes like Red Son and Vamp Bat and takes on villains in the DCU.
As for other shitty reads:
Armageddon 2001
Secret Invasion
Secret Wars II
Our Worlds at War
Originally posted by Galan007
The closest thing we saw to that was during Countdown: Arena. But yeah, I dug Elseworlds too 👆As for other shitty reads:
Armageddon 2001
Secret Invasion
Secret Wars II
Our Worlds at War
Wait. Our Worlds At War? Seriously?
Originally posted by comicfan11
I completely agree on all accounts.But I actually like Elseworlds exactly for the reason you mentioned though lol.
I really like seeing the heroes being heroes in different settings and universes.
I hope one time DC does something like a team consisting of Elseworlds heroes like Red Son and Vamp Bat and takes on villains in the DCU.
Personally I felt most Elseworlds didn't really go far enough. There were some really good ones like the ones you name, but most underused their premise. There's a reason why DC gradually stopped doing them, even back when editorial made sensible decisions.
GalanOur Worlds at War
I'm going to admit to liking that one. A buncha teambusters all show up at once, everyone has to fight one, big alliance with Darkseid, and some cool moments like the sundipping.
It's not a brilliant story but I found it a fun action piece.
It's no Amazons Attack!
Originally posted by Galan007
The closest thing we saw to that was during Countdown: Arena. But yeah, I dug Elseworlds too 👆As for other shitty reads:
Armageddon 2001
Secret Invasion
Secret Wars II
Our Worlds at War
Countdown Arena had a great premise but bad execution and resolution.
Also dude Our Worlds at War was no Watchmen but it doesn't belong in the same category with Obvious Invasion and Failmageddon 2001. I have to agree with -PR- and Q99 on that.
Originally posted by comicfan11
JLA Act of God (Elseworlds mini written by Doug Moench)
Although is should be called Batman Act of Batgod.A colossal middle finger to the ENTIRE DCU, except for the Bat family of course.
All the heroes loose their powers and turn to whiny, pathetic, dysfunctional little b1thces who need Batsavior to tell them what to do.
Atlantis and Themyscira are barely mentioned and Artur and Diana don't even make an attempt to find out what happened to their kingdoms.
They just mop.
They are like "oh sh1t we lost our powers, tough luck for all the people of Atlantis who probably drowned or the Amazons who might have lost their immortality".Superman, WW and all the others basically give up and say "we are useless pieces of meat without our powers"
Also both Aquaman and Martian Manhunter need training from Batman because they are useless and had no training at all.
A warrior and an elite alien "manhunter" need Batsus to teach them how to walk.Linkara shredded this one in 3 parts and I might even say he was kinda lenient, despite calling it the worst thing he reviewed up to that point.
Also it's amazing because it's not insulting to 1 or 2 characters.
Moench manages to insult everyone not Bat related.
Superman, WW, MM, Aquaman, Kyle, Wally, Steel, Booster, etc etc.
Superman especially gets sh@t on royally.
I enjoyed that one for the story and just for a laugh, but yeah it did crap all over the characters. Superman wound up a drunken bum or something with Wonder Woman walking out on him. Crazy.
And yes, Amazons Attack was absolute crap.
Originally posted by comicfan11
Countdown Arena had a great premise but bad execution and resolution.
Different characters from different universes fighting it out. How can you mess that up??
Answer, boring fights, just pit people against their own alternates rather than any 'dream fights' people had wanted to see, give poor motivation for the fights (to either the organizer or the characters), and have the outcomes not really matter much. Oh, also establish that the default assumption is main universe >> everyone else, who merely serve as fodder and don't 'really' matter. That's more of a main Countdown one, but...
Oh, that reminds me. Right now Boom! studios is doing a comic called 'Deathmatch,' by Paul Jenkins. It's an arena-esque setup only done soooo muuuuuch beeeeetter.
Also dude Our Worlds at War was no Watchmen but it doesn't belong in the same category with Obvious Invasion and Failmageddon 2001. I have to agree with -PR- and Q99 on that.
I would literally read OWAW through twice before reading any of the others ^^
Originally posted by Q99
There's still really no reason for her to turn to Catholicism.
I did say it was OOC.
Originally posted by comicfan11
I seriously recommend the Linkara 3 part video review of this comic.
Good fun, but it will also piss you off if you start thinking about how badly the characters are treated.I rate this comic as worse than the following and that should say something.
Countdown (it messed around with the entire DCU, but I see it more like a marketing tool than an actual comic).
Amazons Attack (it $hat on the Amazons, but not the entire DCU)
One More Day (dealt exclusively with Spiderman)
Clone debacle (again Spiderman only)But this one although it's an Elseworlds the characters are 100% the same. No different costumes, dystopian times, different eras or smthing.
These are supposed to be the normal DCU heroes.
Ans it $hits on all of them.
No one escapes the spite.Man this comic is evil.
Check the Linkara reviews man, they make a good point.
I did see that a while ago. "You used to be the ruler of the oceans, now you're "The HAND!?" :rotfl
Originally posted by comicfan11OWAW did have a few cool moments, but overall it was pretty bad, imo. Imperiex and his Probes were horrendously unoriginal antagonists, and I found the story itself(outside those few cool moments) to be extremely lackluster. Certainly not the worst event I've ever read, but it was also very, very far from the best.
Also dude Our Worlds at War was no Watchmen but it doesn't belong in the same category with Obvious Invasion and Failmageddon 2001. I have to agree with -PR- and Q99 on that.
Ugh, Watchmen. Listen, despite my dislike of the series as a whole I can respect Watchmen as a classic, because it was an important book in its heyday. With that being said: if you remove Watchmen from the context of the era in which it was created, it doesn't really hold up well at all. Watchmen was essentially Moore's personal commentary on superheroes and politics during an era that is no longer relevant-- a true product of its time. The comic book industry and superheros have moved on since then, which is why Watchmen doesn't read like anything special when removed from the context of its creation. I definitely wouldn't expect most new comic fans to be awed by Watchmen for this very reason... It insists upon itself.
Personally, I think of the series as little more than the platform through which Moore vented some of his political frustrations to the masses, in a borderline extremist sort of way. I've read Watchmen once, and never plan on doing so again... Now, had the comic series been written like its movie counterpart, it would have been MUCH more enjoyable, and worthy of all the hype/praise. As it is, though: movie>>>>comic series.
All my opinion, of course.
Originally posted by Galan007If I could punch you through the internet, I would. sam
OWAW did have a few cool moments, but overall it was pretty bad, imo. Imperiex and his Probes were horrendously unoriginal antagonists, and I found the story itself(outside those few cool moments) to be extremely lackluster. Certainly not the worst event I've ever read, but it was also very, very far from the best.Ugh, Watchmen. Listen, despite my dislike of the series as a whole I can respect Watchmen as a classic, because it was an important book in its heyday. With that being said: if you remove Watchmen from the context of the era in which it was created, it doesn't really hold up well at all. Watchmen was essentially Moore's personal commentary on superheroes and politics during an era that is no longer relevant-- a true product of its time. The comic book industry and superheros have moved on since then, which is why Watchmen doesn't read like anything special when removed from the context of its creation. I definitely wouldn't expect most new comic fans to be awed by Watchmen for this very reason... It insists upon itself.
Personally, I think of the series as little more than the platform through which Moore vented some of his political frustrations to the masses, in a borderline extremist sort of way. I've read Watchmen once, and never plan on doing so again... Now, had the comic series been written like its movie counterpart, it would have been MUCH more enjoyable, and worthy of all the hype/praise. As it is, though: movie>>>>comic series.
All my opinion, of course.
Originally posted by kevdudeSee, I enjoyed Cosmic Odyssey.... Much moreso than OWAW. 😮
I liked Our Worlds at War as well, nothing like Amazons Attack, that was terrible! Along with Cosmic Odyssey , Chaos War, Countdown to Final Crisis.I agree everyone's got their own points of view. 😎
Watchmen comic was ok but I liked the movie a lot better!
Originally posted by ODGvegetajv2
If I could punch you through the internet, I would. sam
I'm going to agree on Cosmic Odyssey being above OWAW.
OWAW did have a few cool moments, but overall it was pretty bad, imo. Imperiex and his Probes were horrendously unoriginal antagonists, and I found the story itself(outside those few cool moments) to be extremely lackluster. Certainly not the worst event I've ever read, but it was also very, very far from the best.
Oh yes, it wasn't original, and there's certainly better, but I felt the number of cool moments was pretty high (Sundip, getting Steel back, unleashing Doomsday, etc.), so I find it more memorable than a fair number of events.
Originally posted by Galan007Exactly what I thought when I eventually got around to reading it. The "cool moments" are mostly what I remember, the rest was quite weak (though maybe not bad enough for this thread). I really didn't like how they tried to shove things like the Pearl Harbor speech in.
OWAW did have a few cool moments, but overall it was pretty bad, imo. Imperiex and his Probes were horrendously unoriginal antagonists, and I found the story itself(outside those few cool moments) to be extremely lackluster. Certainly not the worst event I've ever read, but it was also very, very far from the best.
