Darth Vader vs Mace Windu

I'm not opposed to the notion that Vader improved as a duelist between RotS and ANH. While he still utilized Form V, he definitely changed his application of the style-- thus he clearly must have honed his saber skills to fit his new/bulky body at some point.

However, it was stated in SW Insider/Fightsaber that it had been "many years" since Vader or Kenobi had engaged in lightsaber combat. The article also went on to say that Vader was "crippled by the lingering pain of the injuries that made his life-support suit necessary." So take that for what it's worth. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not opposed to the notion that Vader improved as a duelist between RotS and ANH. While he still utilized Form V, he definitely changed his application of the style-- thus he clearly must have honed his saber skills to fit his new/bulky body at some point.

However, it was stated in SW Insider/Fightsaber that it had been "many years" since Vader or Kenobi had engaged in lightsaber combat. The article also went on to say that Vader was "crippled by the lingering pain of the injuries that made his life-support suit necessary." So take that for what it's worth. /shrug

Also, necessity for life support does not equate to decreased combat prowess . 🙂

^ Okay, so what EU material suggests that it hadn't been many years since Vader engaged in lightsaber-to-lightsaber combat? I know he perused/slaughtered Jedi across the galaxy after RotS-- but there was a 19 year hiatus between RotS and ANH. So unless there is EU material which has Vader engaging in saber/saber battles within a few years of ANH, then the article may still hold true.

"Crippled by the lingering pain" are the key words in that quote, btw. Either way, I'm not saying that Vader's combat prowess did decrease-- I merely posted a few quotes which allude to the notion.

There is. He engaged Galen Marek shortly before ANH.

It's pretty obvious in ANH that Vader was a greater warrior than before. But then Lucas changed his mind to compensate for shoddy '70s technology rather than just admit such things were limited then.

Was TFU immediately before ANH? If so, that settles that. 👆

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After a quick Google search, it seems that TFU took place roughly 2 years before ANH, and TFU II took place roughly 1 year before ANH. So yeah, the article quote is contradicted by gameplay, I suppose. Out of curiousity, which is more canon? Canonicity contradictions found in games always make me scratch my head.

Originally posted by Galan007
The difference between Tutaminis and Vaapad, is that the former allows its user to absorb/redirect the physical(ie. an opponent's blaster bolts), while the latter allows its user to absorb/redirect the metaphysical(ie. an opponent's inner darkness.) That is likely why Vaapad isn't blanketed under the Tutaminis umbrella.

Additionally, Mace, as far as we know, had fully mastered Vaapad-- to the point that he was able to completely immerse himself in it-- to the point that he no longer existed as an independent being while immersed in it: "Mace was deep in it now: submerged in Vaapad, swallowed by it, he no longer truly existed as an independent being." - RotS

Yet he was still unable to absorb/redirect physical attacks(w/o his lightsaber, obviously)-- as made evident when he was tooled by Palpatine's lightning once it touched his person.

I'm not saying Vaapad is Tutaminus, I'm saying that Mace might have gottten the idea of the (Super Conducting Loop) from Tutaminus. Both absorbs/redirect the physical.
Vaapad is not Tutaminus, but Tutaminus, like techniques are in it whether we agree or not.

You made a good point,but you misunderstood what I'm trying to say.
Alright,for the record it's not Tutaminus, I was only talking about the SCL part.
I was thinking that maybe the SCL would be an advanced yet personal technique

that might not have been officially classified as a advanced technique under
Tutaminus's umbrella.

Now your tooled part.
Anakin tipped the balance.
By cutting off his Weapon Hand.

If Anakin hadn't interfered then Sidious /Palpatine would be dead w/ or w/o Anakin's help.

Originally posted by Vensai
... Please don't make Vaapad any more hax than it is. It is not tutaminis. But Mace wins. Vader is not Dooku level like he used to be.

I promise you I won't make it a hax.
but When Mace is in a confrontation with anybody,
Vaapad is the only LSC Style he will use against them.

I know Vaapad isn't,but Super Conducting Loop?
that's the technique of Vaapad that might be related to Tutaminus.

Like I said in past posts. We haven't seen the Full Power of Vaapad yet....
I'm starting to believe that we'll never see it.

Thank you for your replies and commits.

Originally posted by Galan007
Was TFU immediately before ANH? If so, that settles that. 👆

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After a quick Google search, it seems that TFU took place roughly 2 years before ANH, and TFU II took place roughly 1 year before ANH. So yeah, the article quote is contradicted by gameplay, I suppose. Out of curiousity, which is more canon? Canonicity contradictions found in games always make me scratch my head.

Good question.
And thank you for your thoughts and commits.

I was wondering about the TFU,will we see what happens to a badly injured and captured Vader w/Boba Fett in Hot Pursuit to (spoiler alert) rescue the dark lord?