The Avengers vs Green Lantern

Originally posted by juggerman
Hal could move faster than light. How exactly could he be touched here? Also keep in mind that according to the OP he has CIS/PIS off and is bloodlusted. Him not uses the sun thing he was shown is CIS/PIS and possibly due to the fact he was not lusting for blood. Hal wins

GL can TRAVEL faster than light but he can't MOVE faster than light. His combat speed as far as we've seen has been that of a normal human. It's the same way that IM can travel at mach speeds but you don't see him speed blitzing Thor. Or how Hulk can travel faster than a car but he doesn't have the reflexes of a cat.

Frankly, as powerful as Hal is he is still a noob fighter. Going up against a bunch of veteran fighters like the Avengers is not the same as going up against a single, all-devouring entity like Parallax.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Going up against a bunch of veteran fighters like the Avengers is not the same as going up against a single, all-devouring entity like Parallax.

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Originally posted by Lestov16
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Parallax tried to overwhelm Hal with pure power and intimidation. I do not recall him using any tactics or diversity in attacks. Parallax wasn't a fighter, he was, like I said, an all devouring entity. AND he was alone. NOne of the Avengers may have the power of Parallax, but they do fight smarter, and they are better fighters, and there are 6 of them.

Um, no. Parallax would utterly shit on the Avengers. The only reason they even won was because the NATO council essentially intervened as a deus ex machina and gave them a nuke. 😆 if you think the Avengers pose more of a threat than Parallax. And 😂 if you think the Avengers can take Parallax, when all they needed was a single nuke to stop the Chitauri wheres it took the phucking sun to stop Parallax

Originally posted by Lestov16
Um, no. Parallax would utterly shit on the Avengers. The only reason they even won was because the NATO council essentially intervened as a deus ex machina and gave them a nuke. 😆 if you think the Avengers pose more of a threat than Parallax. And 😂 if you think the Avengers can take Parallax, when all they needed was a single nuke to stop the Chitauri wheres it took [b]the phucking sun to stop Parallax [/B]

Hal wasn't able to beat Parallax with his own power as well, so stop posing like Hal was powerful enough to beat Parallax. Hal used the sun to beat Parallax, so Hal was basically powerless to stop Parallax and thus he had to resort to tactics.

Can the Avengers stop Parallax? No. The Avengers would be just as helpless as Hal was. Can they outsmart Parallax? Maybe, maybe not. Point here is, Hal was not powerful enough to take on Parallax. He had to outsmart a being that didn't really display that much fight smarts. Now is he powerful enough to beat the Avengers? We're not sure, he hasn't really showed that much power in the movies. Can he outsmart the Avengers the same way he outsmarted Parallax? Definitely not, or at least not as easily. The Avengers has as much chance if not more so of outsmarting Hal.

So basically your argument is that Hal is too stupid to use his incredible vast power to easily WTFpwn the Avengers, which it is well within his capacity to do. Again, lol

Originally posted by Lestov16
So basically your argument is that Hal is too stupid to use his incredible vast power to easily WTFpwn the Avengers, which it is well within his capacity to do. Again, lol

No, my point is that you don't really have any basis on claiming that Hal is powerful enough to WTFpwn the Avengers. He got beat up by Parallax and had to use the Sun to beat Parallax.

Another point I'm making, is that outsmarting the Avengers won't be as easy as outsmarting Parallax.

Now, tell me I'm wrong.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No, my point is that you don't really have any basis on claiming that Hal is powerful enough to WTFpwn the Avengers. He got beat up by Parallax and had to use the Sun to beat Parallax.

Another point I'm making, is that outsmarting the Avengers won't be as easy as outsmarting Parallax.

Now, tell me I'm wrong.

You are incredibly wrong. The mere fact that Hal was able to withstand the atmospheric pressure of the sun instantly elevates him far above any power level the Avengers can output.

Pretty much.

Being able to withstand around 28x Earth's gravity places Hal abve the Avengers damage output?

Originally posted by Lestov16
You are incredibly wrong. The mere fact that Hal was able to withstand the atmospheric pressure of the sun instantly elevates him far above any power level the Avengers can output.

And yet on his way to the sun he hits a small asteroid and hurts his shoulder. Seems to me his shields are not all you claim to be.

It was around a 2-3 minutes scene from the time he left earth and reached the Sun, this was with a quick stop just outside asteroid belt too. It takes light about 8 minutes to reach Earth.

So considering his speed when he hit that asteroid, it's more a tribute to his power and durability that he wasn't turned to a fine red mist and not so much "Hal's weak sauce, Hal got hurt a by a rock and so what if he withstood the Sun."

There's also really only three Avengers GL has to worry about.

Originally posted by Robtard
It was around a 2-3 minutes scene from the time he left earth and reached the Sun, this was with a quick stop just outside asteroid belt too. It takes light about 8 minutes to reach Earth.

So considering his speed when he hit that asteroid, it's more a tribute to his power and durability that he wasn't turned to a fine red mist and not so much "Hal's weak sauce, Hal got hurt a by a rock and so what if he withstood the Sun."

There's also really only three Avengers GL has to worry about.

And yet he doesn't look to be travelling at anywhere near that kind of speed. If he was, then we shouldn't have been able to see him. Besides, if Hal truly was travelling that fast and he was as durable as you say he is, he should have obliterated that asteroid upon contact. But all he did was break off pieces of is, and although a pretty good durability feat, still shows how he can be hurt by concussive forces (which Hulk and Thor will happily supply).

But even if I accepted your theory of him hitting that asteroid at above light speed, just a few mins earlier on he got slammed against a truck and then against a car... and was hurt. Again, good durability showing, but that amount of force is something that Hulk or Thor can easily replicate. Seems to me Hal's shields don't handle concussive force as well as they do the sun's heat and gravitation.

Besides, all we've talked about so far was his shielding capabilities. What offensive powers has Hal shown that will allow him to take on the Avengers? Will he make a mini-gun and try to blast the Avengers? Maybe use a giant spring to launch a truck on them?

Originally posted by FrothByte
And yet he doesn't look to be travelling at anywhere near that kind of speed. If he was, then we shouldn't have been able to see him. Besides, if Hal truly was travelling that fast and he was as durable as you say he is, he should have obliterated that asteroid upon contact. But all he did was break off pieces of is, and although a pretty good durability feat, still shows how he can be hurt by concussive forces (which Hulk and Thor will happily supply).

But even if I accepted your theory of him hitting that asteroid at above light speed, just a few mins earlier on he got slammed against a truck and then against a car... and was hurt. Again, good durability showing, but that amount of force is something that Hulk or Thor can easily replicate. Seems to me Hal's shields don't handle concussive force as well as they do the sun's heat and gravitation.

Besides, all we've talked about so far was his shielding capabilities. What offensive powers has Hal shown that will allow him to take on the Avengers? Will he make a mini-gun and try to blast the Avengers? Maybe use a giant spring to launch a truck on them?

We often see star ships in films that are traveling at greater than light, does that mean they're not in the fantasy because we see them? I don't think he hit the asteroid at c+ speeds, but obviously fast, as those asteroids aren't moving around slowly themselves.

A smaller asteroid hit him on the shoulder, which caused a minor wound and then he barreled into and smashed apart a huge asteroid, which did little to no damage apparently.

His offense is his imagination. LoL, how you downplay his power-set. While he might try a machine gun to start, he's "blood lusted" here. So he probably starts out with a bigger attack. Like creating a bunch of big ass missiles or a mini-sun, if he wanted.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think he hit the asteroid at c+ speeds, but obviously fast, as those asteroids aren't moving around slowly themselves.

A smaller one hit him on the shoulder, which caused a minor wound and then he barreled into and smashed apart another, which did little to no damage.

His offense is his imagination. LoL, how you downplay his power-set. While he might try a machine gun to start, he's "blood lusted" here. So he probably starts out with a bigger attack. Like a mini-sun, if he wanted.

Well you're the one who tried to use physics in a movie. Where light needs 8 mins to travel to the sun and all, yet when I use physics to say "light speed can be hardly seen by the eye" you don't consider it? Many movies have shortened distances for the sake of time constraint.

but let's forget about that.

Again I ask, what offensive powers has Hal actually SHOWN?? You can theorize about mini-suns and all that, but fact is, all you people are the ones always emphasizing how screen feats > assumptions. Therefore, Hal having no screen feats of him making a mini-sun = Hal not knowing how to create mini suns.

Bloodlusted doesn't mean squat. You telling me that as he fought Parallax he was pulling his punches? If he was desperate enough while fighting Parallax that he had to resort to using the sun against him instead of just his powers, his performance "bloodlusted" shouldn't all be that different. Which means he'll probably resort to using mini guns, springs, catapults, and racing cars against the Avengers.

Again, all I'm doing here is using screen feats. And how do you explain Hal getting hurt after slamming against truck and car?

His power-set is his imagination.

Well, it does. Cos while fighting Parralax, he was concious of trying to not kill everyone around him. In this fight, he'd not give a shit about dropping a mini-sun.

You're railroading him. "He can only create a sword, a mini-gun, a catapult" etc. Might as well argue that Bruce Almighty can't make a chicken come out of someone's anus, cos we only saw a monkey.

Originally posted by Robtard
His power-set is his imagination.

Well, it does. Cos while fighting Parralax, he was concious of trying to not kill everyone around him. In this fight, he'd not give a shit about dropping a mini-sun.

You're railroading him. "He can only create a sword, a mini-gun, a catapult" etc. Might as well argue that Bruce Almighty can't make a chicken come out of someone's anus, cos we only saw a monkey.

And yet the limit of his imagination is a mini-gun and a spring. Seems to me if you were faced with a life and death situation you'd try to use your most powerful attacks... and yet those were the most he could come up with. Sure he was concerned about the civilians. Why not launch a nuke at Parallax and then make a shield to contain the explosion then?

No, you're trying to bump him up to something more powerful than he is. You're showing him off at his most extreme potential when it's quite obvious he isn't there yet. In a real fight, it's mostly your instincts that take over. You neither have the time nor the concentration to really imagine stuff. He'll have a very hard time trying to be imaginative when 6 guys are trying to take him down. Heck, he wasn't even that imaginative when he was faced with a single, slow moving opponent. He might have the potential to create anything from his imagination, but until such time as he's proven to do this in a fight environment, we are limited by using only the feats he's shown. It's just like performing a well formed kata during practice is completely different from doing it in a real fight.

And while we're at it, has Hal ever shown the ability to create multiple constructs at the same time? He'll probably need to do that to take on multiple opponents.

No. What you are doing is trying to make Hal as intelligent as a stalagmite. You are trying to massively downplay his fight with parallax when parallax was a far greater threat than the avengers ever faced

The Avengers, Ironman, Thor, Hulk, Hawkeye, Blackwidow. Against Green Lantern.

The Avengers, with two exceptions, have seperate movies with the characters to explain experience and feats while Green Lantern has one. He barley beat Parallax, and I am not saying the Avengers could do it, even at all, because Hal had the Green Ring which was essential in his victory. With his Experience, in the movie, I dout Hal would be able to beat the alien horde in Avengers. Hal might be able to travel at the speed of light but as it is shown he isnt going around beating on people at that speed. Now Hal is NOT stupid but he isnt a very smart either. His experience with the ring is limited to that one week he has had it sicne the Thread is about the movie.

With the little experience Hal has with the ring I would have to say the more experienced Avengers win. BUT none of them Solo. They would have to work together.

Thors lightning would get him out of the sky for sure if he decided to fly about. NOT saying Thors lightning would do a lot of damage with Hals shields but it would definatly be enough power to ground him.

My opinion on this fight.

Originally posted by Lestov16
No. What [b]you are doing is trying to make Hal as intelligent as a stalagmite. You are trying to massively downplay his fight with parallax when parallax was a far greater threat than the avengers ever faced [/B]

I am not downplaying anything. I am merely describing Hal as he was seen in the film. You are the one trying to give him feats that he wasn't shown to be doing.

As for his fight with Parallax, there's nothing to downplay there. Hal tried to use his powers to beat Parallax and he failed. He then outsmarted Parallax and used the sun's powers to beat Parallax. Again I repeat, Hal was NOT powerful enough to beat Parallax.

As for his imagination, you can probably practice all the combat moves you plan to use in a fight, practice them to perfection in front of a mirror, and yet the moment you get into a fight all this goes out the window and you rely on instincts. The better trained you are, the easier it will be for you to incorporate whatever you trained into actual fighting. Hal was trained for what, a week? So you see when he fights Parallax, he used his ring to create stuff he was more familiar with. He wasn't too creative with it. Fighting 6 Avengers would give him even less time to be creative with the ring.

Plus I don't recall him building multiple constructs with his ring. Something he might need to do when fighting multiple opponents. As for durability, he IS pretty durable. Yet he did get hurt as he was slammed against the truck and car. That proves that the Avengers are powerful enough to hurt him even if they have a hard time of it.

Now on the other hand, has Hal ever shown that he was powerful enough to seriously hurt someone like Thor or Hulk?