Originally posted by FrothByte
And yet the limit of his imagination is a mini-gun and a spring. Seems to me if you were faced with a life and death situation you'd try to use your most powerful attacks... and yet those were the most he could come up with. Sure he was concerned about the civilians. Why not launch a nuke at Parallax and then make a shield to contain the explosion then?No, you're trying to bump him up to something more powerful than he is. You're showing him off at his most extreme potential when it's quite obvious he isn't there yet. In a real fight, it's mostly your instincts that take over. You neither have the time nor the concentration to really imagine stuff. He'll have a very hard time trying to be imaginative when 6 guys are trying to take him down. Heck, he wasn't even that imaginative when he was faced with a single, slow moving opponent. He might have the potential to create anything from his imagination, but until such time as he's proven to do this in a fight environment, we are limited by using only the feats he's shown. It's just like performing a well formed kata during practice is completely different from doing it in a real fight.
And while we're at it, has Hal ever shown the ability to create multiple constructs at the same time? He'll probably need to do that to take on multiple opponents.
I doubt a nuke would have taken out Parallax and setting off a nuke in a populated city would have been very risky.
Three of the team members, he can all but ignore. Again, how hard is it to copy someone else. That's the lack of imagination.
Yes, he has in fact shown the capability to create one than one construct at a time.
Originally posted by Robtard
I doubt a nuke would have taken out Parallax and setting off a nuke in a populated city would have been very risky.Three of the team members, he can all but ignore. Again, how hard is it to copy someone else. That's the lack of imagination.
Yes, he has in fact shown the capability to create one than one construct at a time.
I also doubt that the nuke would have taken out Parallax, but Hal could have at least tried something bigger than what he did. The fact that all he did were kinda puny attacks seems to suggest that he's unable to imagine anything stronger while in the middle of a battle. And this is not a lack of imagination on his part, merely a lack of concentration necessary when confronted with a stressful environment. I mean, how easy do you think it is to maintain a vivid image of something in your mind while someone is busy trying to blast or pound you. Just because Hal can imagine something when he's alone doesn't mean he can do it in the middle of a fight. His power is not only affected by his imagination. It is also affected by his concentration and will power, as stressed during his training. So even if his imagination is "unlimited", his concentration and will power definitely isn't.
You are trying to argue for Hal at his FULL potential, which he doesn't seem to show via screen feats. I mean, what's the most impressive construct he's been able to build so far from his "unlimited" imagination? In terms of impressive weaponry that is.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I also doubt that the nuke would have taken out Parallax, but Hal could have at least tried something bigger than what he did. The fact that all he did were kinda puny attacks seems to suggest that he's unable to imagine anything stronger while in the middle of a battle. And this is not a lack of imagination on his part, merely a lack of concentration necessary when confronted with a stressful environment. I mean, how easy do you think it is to maintain a vivid image of something in your mind while someone is busy trying to blast or pound you. Just because Hal can imagine something when he's alone doesn't mean he can do it in the middle of a fight. His power is not only affected by his imagination. It is also affected by his concentration and will power, as stressed during his training. So even if his imagination is "unlimited", his concentration and will power definitely isn't.You are trying to argue for Hal at his FULL potential, which he doesn't seem to show via screen feats. I mean, what's the most impressive construct he's been able to build so far from his "unlimited" imagination? In terms of impressive weaponry that is.
He had the imagination to create two jet planes and enough concentration to keep them going while the sun was tearing at him and Parralax was trying to destroy him.
So no, I don't think Hal will buckle under pressure from three other super heroes who will pose less of a threat then being next to the sun and having an all devouring giant monster on you.
By the end of the film, Hal was at his full potential.
Originally posted by Robtard
He had the imagination to create two jet planes and enough concentration to keep them going while the sun was tearing at him and Parralax was trying to destroy him.So no, I don't think Hal will buckle under pressure from three other super heroes who will pose less of a threat then being next to the sun and having an all devouring giant monster on you.
By the end of the film, Hal was at his full potential.
2 rockets/jet planes that has no offensive output whatsoever. He's good at making complicated moving stuff, even made a car and racetrack. But what has he done in terms of offensive weaponry? His constructs seem to be limited by what he knows: like cars, planes, mini guns, catapults, etc. Stuff that he's familiar with. What's he going to make to disable IM, Thor, or Hulk?
As for how hard it is to copy someone... well, it's actually pretty hard if you're not familiar with what you're copying. Try it, try copying the movements of someone else when you're not familiar with what they're doing. Try imitating a boxer's stance and a simple jab straight then look at yourself in the mirror. You'll see that you're not doing it quite as effectively as the boxer. You say he can easily copy Kilowog's mini sun, but he's not familiar with something like that. He probably doesn't know how to construct one with proper dimensions, gravity pull, etc.
Explain how the Avengers will harm him when the atmospheric pressure of the sun didn't. And LOL at "he was hurt by a meteor", like it somehow makes him a wimp
Also, I love how you act as if the Avengers can out-strategize God, when the only reason they beat the Chitauri is because the NATO Council deus ex machina'ed with the nuke. Hell, if Fury actually succeeded in shooting the fighter down, Manhattan (and the Avengers) would have been FUBARed
Originally posted by Lestov16
Explain how the Avengers will harm him when the atmospheric pressure of the sun didn't. And LOL at "he was hurt by a meteor", like it somehow makes him a wimpAlso, I love how you act as if the Avengers can out-strategize God, when the only reason they beat the Chitauri is because the NATO Council deus ex machina'ed with the nuke. Hell, if Fury actually succeeded in shooting the fighter down, Manhattan (and the Avengers) would have been FUBARed
Hal was hurt by getting slammed against a truck. And though that's a very good durability feat, it does mean that someone as strong as Hulk and Thor can hurt him.
And I'm not saying that the Avengers are the best strategical tacticians in the world, but you have to admit that the combination of Cap and IM's intellect provides a far better tactical mind than either Hal or Parallax for that matter. Unless you're going to claim that Hal is smarter than Tony or that he's a better tactician than Rogers.
Besides, other than that "pulling down a mini sun" crap, what other options does Hal have of beating up the Avengers? What offensive powers has he shown that look like they'll work against IM, Hulk, or Thor?
Originally posted by Robtard
Hulk he catapults into space by creating a super gigantic catapult around the Hulk and firing it. That's one Avenger down.
If I were the Green Lantern I would create a minature Black Hole out in space, requiring a light construct with the mass of the earth into a teaspoon volume, which shouldn't be out of the ring's capacity, because the ring is only limited by the scoop of the wielder's imagination/will, then catapult the Hulk into the black hole, effectively trapping him. Same with Thor. You they will fall back to earth before running out of oxygen, they're ****ed if they are stuck in a black hole the size of earth with a fraction of the volume. When the Black Hole crushes them, I erase the construct before it gets too close to earth and destroys the planet.
As for the mortals, I create a massive robot, about a thousand feet tall, and inside it's eye I will observe the battle, as it will be my dormatory, I can observe wth a giant tb screen inside the eyelid. The robot construct is made of billions of solid light constructs, and quite invulnerable to even atomic weapons.
I could drown crush Ironman with a one billion ton construct tossed from my robot, and as for Captain America, as well as Black Widow and Hawkeye, I trap them inside a fortified tank construct and toss them into space in my giant robot.
I could have delt with Paralax pretty easily as well. Just contain him in a HUGE fortified prison complex facility, and used a multi-mile tall robot to toss that into the sun. It would protect him until I removed the construct, leaving him to burn in the fires of the sun.
Originally posted by Dolos
If I were the Green Lantern I would create a minature Black Hole out in space, requiring a light construct with the mass of the earth into a teaspoon volume, which shouldn't be out of the ring's capacity, because the ring is only limited by the scoop of the wielder's imagination/will, then catapult the Hulk into the black hole, effectively trapping him. Same with Thor. You they will fall back to earth before running out of oxygen, they're ****ed if they are stuck in a black hole the size of earth with a fraction of the volume. When the Black Hole crushes them, I erase the construct before it gets too close to earth and destroys the planet.As for the mortals, I create a massive robot, about a thousand feet tall, and inside it's eye I will observe the battle, as it will be my dormatory, I can observe wth a giant tb screen inside the eyelid. The robot construct is made of billions of solid light constructs, and quite invulnerable to even atomic weapons.
I could drown crush Ironman with a one billion ton construct tossed from my robot, and as for Captain America, as well as Black Widow and Hawkeye, I trap them inside a fortified tank construct and toss them into space in my giant robot.
I could have delt with Paralax pretty easily as well. Just contain him in a HUGE fortified prison complex facility, and used a multi-mile tall robot to toss that into the sun. It would protect him until I removed the construct, leaving him to burn in the fires of the sun.
Too bad Hal never even came close to performing any feats on this level.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yet he still got hurt by getting slammed into a truck. Which some of the Avengers can very much replicate and outdo.
Not sure if getting up a moment after being hit with a blast that sends you flying a few hundred feet through the air and then through the sheet metal side of a delivery truck that rolls a few times and then you're throw out to go smashing into an SUV hard enough you crush in the side counts as "hurt".
Sure, it probably didn't feel good, but he was none the worse for it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure if getting up a moment after being hit with a blast that sends you flying a few hundred feet through the air and then through the sheet metal side of a delivery truck that rolls a few times and then you're throw out to go smashing into an SUV hard enough you crush in the side counts as "hurt".Sure, it probably didn't feel good, but he was none the worse for it.
You can see it on his face, he was hurt. I agree though that he wasn't injured. So hurt but not injured. The point I'm trying to make with this example is that the shield that protects him against the sun's forces doesn't seem to protect him as much against concussive forces. Granted, it was a good durability feat. But Hulk and Thor can both dish out hits that are more powerful than his momentum hitting the truck. Will it knock him out? Probably not. But getting knocked flying in the air should have enough oomph in it to disable his concentration.