B&T Thor & WW3 Black Adam vs. OWAW Superman & Countdown Orion

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He killed Probes easier than Black Lightning, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Hippolyta did. Which should be expected since they all suck... especially Aquaguy.

OWAW Superman was basically Superman not holding back and learned how to do fancy shit like making foot drills. Even when he was supposedly super not holding back even worse, he destroyed like one Probe and helped damage another one while Doomsday was raping the dick out of them.

Good feats. A little overblown IMO. I'd put him on par with BT Thor

Zod took some out.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That's what happened

Everyone's owned Kyle. Grayven casually blasted him back in that series.

So class 85 in Marvel terms equates to almost WW level?

Super desperate
Excuse me for wondering why someone is hyping up WW's lasso, when he's shit on it in the past
Since people can get out of the lasso without getting destroyed... unlike a Probe.

Everyone one of those characters outside BL can go grab the tech they used at anytime in a simple visit to their homes.
And the armor wasn't weakened.

Well, they did.

With a planet full of tech, not nukes.
30 nukes, Superman merged with Kismet, the OE, and an entire space armada. Although it said 30 hydrogen bombs, so I'm curious as to why they were Brain tech...
On that note, it said the engine in the tank (that BL used) was nuclear, so I'm also curious as to why that was an actual nuke, and why it was Brainiac tech.

Exactamundo. Canon fodder.

On another note, where was it stated that it was a probe that fought 100000 Daxamites?

Not everyone. You are talking about Superman 152 where Grayven blasted him back? Kyle wasn't starting to amp off Ion energies at that time. It happened in GL😮WAW which came later.

Nope, I should've said class 100. Happy?

When did I said any of that? Escaping via lifting the lasso=/=escaping via breaking the lasso. You are getting more desperate by the second.

That wouldn't be their standard self though. Its like saying Thor beats anybody short of kurse in forums because he could grab Belt od strength before the match starts. This is just stupid.

It was. Your "Nuh-uh" wouldn't change it.

Its still a testament of how powerful the technology was.

It was B13 tech. Lex used them after B13 upgraded metropolis in Y2K in everything.

LOL @cannon fodder. You are just in denial.

Imperiex hadn't left his ship untill when he destroyed doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
Zod took some out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Try again.

Not everyone. You are talking about Superman 152 where Grayven blasted him back? Kyle wasn't starting to amp off Ion energies at that time. It happened in GL😮WAW which came later.

Nope, I should've said class 100. Happy?

When did I said any of that? Escaping via lifting the lasso=/=escaping via breaking the lasso. You are getting more desperate by the second.

That wouldn't be their standard self though. Its like saying Thor beats anybody short of kurse in forums because he could grab Belt od strength before the match starts. This is just stupid.

It was. Your "Nuh-uh" wouldn't change it.

Its still a testament of how powerful the technology was.

It was B13 tech. Lex used them after B13 upgraded metropolis in Y2K in everything.

LOL @cannon fodder. You are just in denial.

Imperiex hadn't left his ship untill when he destroyed doomsday.

159. The GL Special seemed to happened right after in the universe canon judging by the way Kyle was talking to his bottom whore. Might be mistake.

Changing

I'm not saying you said those exact words, just that you've shit on it in the past. We all have.
I said that it loses its effect when so many have escape it, and it's been broken before by lesser. It's not like it's a good feat to be tore in half by it.

I realize. But it's standard tech by relatively weak characters, outside Diana herself. And it looks off when you bring up "100000 daxamites, and Mordru" in the same post to defend the Probes while also defending the characters. If 100000 Daxamites, and Mordru can't match the power of a nuclear core of a tank, then that is pretty sad.

The armor was never said to be weakened. And it was damaged on its arm that was immediately sealed. How exactly would that make its head armor less durable?

Maybe, but the main factor far and away was Kismet.

And it was stated to be powering tank engines, and be made into 30 hydrogen bombs?

Didn't Blithe and Comet make the Probe run away anyway?

He was hands on inside his ship before the Daxamite fight while a Probe was on Kalador.
There's no reason he couldn't simply go back inside his ship. The reason he stayed out when the whole Doomsday debacle happened, was because he was already at Earth.
Plus, 100000 Daxamites is a bit out of a Probe's power.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Zod was equal to superman in every way. A probe owned him twice and then he cut loose like superman and destroyed two of them.

Hmm, this upsets me.

Issue?

Though I don't remember Zod actually being owned, just having problems with his team.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The axe failing to do something, and the shield doing it means the shield was more powerful. Or at the very least, a two handed smash is more powerful. It's like saying that Superman's punches are more powerful than his kicks just because they work better sometimes in the same fights. It's just more effort being expended.

159. The GL Special seemed to happened right after in the universe canon judging by the way Kyle was talking to his bottom whore. Might be mistake.

Changing

I'm not saying you said those exact words, just that you've shit on it in the past. We all have.
I said that it loses its effect when so many have escape it, and it's been broken before by lesser. It's not like it's a good feat to be tore in half by it.

I realize. But it's standard tech by relatively weak characters, outside Diana herself. And it looks off when you bring up "100000 daxamites, and Mordru" in the same post to defend the Probes while also defending the characters. If 100000 Daxamites, and Mordru can't match the power of a nuclear core of a tank, then that is pretty sad.

The armor was never said to be weakened. And it was damaged on its arm that was immediately sealed. How exactly would that make its head armor less durable?

Maybe, but the main factor far and away was Kismet.

And it was stated to be powering tank engines, and be made into 30 hydrogen bombs?

Didn't Blithe and Comet make the Probe run away anyway?

He was hands on inside his ship before the Daxamite fight while a Probe was on Kalador.
There's no reason he couldn't simply go back inside his ship. The reason he stayed out when the whole Doomsday debacle happened, was because he was already at Earth.
Plus, 100000 Daxamites is a bit out of a Probe's power.

No. I mistook 152 where mongul came to superman for help. That was published in 2000 while GL special was published in 2001.

Well you changed my mind. Hippolyta is a class 100.

It haven't been broken by many, it has been broken once by bizzaro and that's a huge anomaly. Also it tore itself by trying to escape while a hugely amped hippolyta was restraining it.

That only proves how powerful B13 nukes are. 30 B13 nukes were used alongside Kismet-superman and omega beams to break imperiex's armor itself. Even if they did a minuscule part in doing that work, it justifies how BL was able to break the armor of the probe. You are deliberately trying to confuse it with a conventional nukes. Its like carver claiming that a nuke level blast by Monarch hurt SMP, so he must be less durable than a random character who tanked a conventional nuke. Total fail.

Its weakened anytime it was breached. Superman cauterized it but the damage was done already. The same way just a tiny rupture was able to blow the whole probe apart.

Even if the nukes did just a minor part in breaking Imperiex's armor, it makes sense how BL was able to break the probe's armor.

No, it left on his own accord because they were not its target

No, he wasn't seen outside his ship untill the probe reported about superman and mongul destroying the hollower. The events from Superman: OWAW secret files happened before that and maxima told how the probe destroyed her whole galaxy in hours which Adam Strange showed to superman and Eradicator saw too. Imperiex wasn't going world to world to destroy them, that's what his probes were for.

Not when it actually killed them.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Carver knew something I didn't...

Hmm, this upsets me.

Issue?

Though I don't remember Zod actually being owned, just having problems with his team.

Action Comics 790.

They were owned IIRC.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not when it just tanked the combined attack of WW and Aquaman. Mind you Aquaman actually tanked the probe's attack while WW was oneshotted. The armor's integrity reduced whenever it was broken and superman did just before WW cut it using its weak points.

No. I mistook 152 where mongul came to superman for help. That was published in 2000 while GL special was published in 2001.

Well you changed my mind. Hippolyta is a class 100.

It haven't been broken by many, it has been broken once by bizzaro and that's a huge anomaly. Also it tore itself by trying to escape while a hugely amped hippolyta was restraining it.

That only proves how powerful B13 nukes are. 30 B13 nukes were used alongside Kismet-superman and omega beams to break imperiex's armor itself. Even if they did a minuscule part in doing that work, it justifies how BL was able to break the armor of the probe. You are deliberately trying to confuse it with a conventional nukes. Its like carver claiming that a nuke level blast by Monarch hurt SMP, so he must be less durable than a random character who tanked a conventional nuke. Total fail.

Its weakened anytime it was breached. Superman cauterized it but the damage was done already. The same way just a tiny rupture was able to blow the whole probe apart.

Even if the nukes did just a minor part in breaking Imperiex's armor, it makes sense how BL was able to break the probe's armor.

No, it left on his own accord because they were not its target

No, he wasn't seen outside his ship untill the probe reported about superman and mongul destroying the hollower. The events from Superman: OWAW secret files happened before that and maxima told how the probe destroyed her whole galaxy in hours which Adam Strange showed to superman and Eradicator saw too. Imperiex wasn't going world to world to destroy them, that's what his probes were for.

Not when it actually killed them.

Where was it it stated that the armor was weakened, and that WW hit it in a weak point? The whole reason Superman cauterized the wound was so that it wouldn't blow up.

I realize the publish date. I'm saying in universe. Kyle acted like him and Superman just found out that Pluto went missing, and that if he didn't create a new "planet" fast it would have bad effects on the solar system. Otherwise he waited a year after Pluto went missing to save the solar system.

Good one.

It's been broken like 4 times. And others would have simply walked out of it like it were a bedsheet.

Again, where was it stated that the core used to kill the Probe was Brainiac tech, and that the hydrogen bombs used against Imperiex were Brainiac's?
But anyway, there's no feats from the nukes. Hell it was a different type of weapon used entirely against Imperiex, and the Probe (Hydrogen bomb, nuclear core of a tank). And that's assuming it did anything at all against Imperiex. It's like assuming the armada helped too.

Oh. I see you brought a scan of the Earth Angels fighting a Probe, but you didn't show a scan of the armor being weakened after a breach was sealed up instantly. Let me take your word.

And if the nukes played no part?
Though, I still fail to see how that's above what Thor can do. Mr "I've broken Celestial and Galactus armor" Thor. If Thor was going all out, he would have wasted some Probes.

Fancy way of saying he ran away. IE, never owned the Earth Angels like the previous implications.

He wasn't seen outside his ship because there were no witnesses nor people grand enough. We saw he can leave his ship, I think a safe assumption is that he can go back in. So why can't we assume that he can exit 10 feet outside his ship? IIRC Eradicator seen him when he came back all crazy though.
Either way, they attacked his mothership and he sent one Probe to defend it? We saw that one Probe is nowhere near powerful enough to defeat 100000 Daxamites, so why are we assuming that it was a Probe and not Imperiex himself?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shame on you Bran.

Action Comics 790.

They were owned IIRC.

The one in Germany that was shown blasting Zod and "owning" him, was the one that was tore apart by him in that scan. The other time he was shown making people fly at the Probe. He probably killed that one too.

Also, Diana wasn't one shotted you silly sally

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It took an axe slash and a punch. 😬
Actually, Diana abandoned her axe in favor of the shield, as she was previously seen trying to hack its head... so there's evidence there.

Where was it it stated that the armor was weakened, and that WW hit it in a weak point? The whole reason Superman cauterized the wound was so that it wouldn't blow up.

I realize the publish date. I'm saying in universe. Kyle acted like him and Superman just found out that Pluto went missing, and that if he didn't create a new "planet" fast it would have bad effects on the solar system. Otherwise he waited a year after Pluto went missing to save the solar system.

Good one.

It's been broken like 4 times. And others would have simply walked out of it like it were a bedsheet.

Again, where was it stated that the core used to kill the Probe was Brainiac tech, and that the hydrogen bombs used against Imperiex were Brainiac's?
But anyway, there's no feats from the nukes. Hell it was a different type of weapon used entirely against Imperiex, and the Probe (Hydrogen bomb, nuclear core of a tank). And that's assuming it did anything at all against Imperiex. It's like assuming the armada helped too.

Oh. I see you brought a scan of the Earth Angels fighting a Probe, but you didn't show a scan of the armor being weakened after a breach was sealed up instantly. Let me take your word.

And if the nukes played no part?
Though, I still fail to see how that's above what Thor can do. Mr "I've broken Celestial and Galactus armor" Thor. If Thor was going all out, he would have wasted some Probes.

Fancy way of saying he ran away. IE, never owned the Earth Angels like the previous implications.

He wasn't seen outside his ship because there were no witnesses nor people grand enough. We saw he can leave his ship, I think a safe assumption is that he can go back in. So why can't we assume that he can exit 10 feet outside his ship? IIRC Eradicator seen him when he came back all crazy though.
Either way, they attacked his mothership and he sent one Probe to defend it? We saw that one Probe is nowhere near powerful enough to defeat 100000 Daxamites, so why are we assuming that it was a Probe and not Imperiex himself?

Yeah, I found it shortly after.

The one in Germany that was shown blasting Zod and "owning" him, was the one that was tore apart by him in that scan. The other time he was shown making people fly at the Probe. He probably killed that one too.

It was weakened because the strain of energy weakened it. Superman cauterizing it doesn't changes that fact.

Even in that scenario, in 159 they found out that the planet was missing and then superman send GL to create another planet at a later time. Only then kyle realized that he was more powerful than ever. I don't see why Grayven blasting him back means anything, he has nearly defeated Ion II too.

4 times? When? Lifting it for escaping doesn't count. If the probe couldn't escape by lifting the lasso AFTER it tried, you'd have a point. Untill then you are just lowballing as hell.

It was in everything after Y2K. Yeah, it has. Cracking an Imperiex probe's armor after Earth angels failed to do so. Armada was there to just divert Imperiex's attacks. Not nukes though. Failed again.

Yeah, take my word. At least its not based on pure speculations and denial.

Prove that negative.

Highest feats are not the indication of how a character would fare in a typical scenario. Namor has also broken through Celestial armor and Thing propelled by Reed actually knocked a very weakened Galactus out. Does that means they can do it everytime? Thor recently couldn't even break Rachel Summers' TK shield, it must've been above celestial armor. In general high heralds couldn't break Probes' armor and thor wouldn't be able to do it either.

He didn't ran away, he shrugged off her attacks and decided they were not his target so went his way. I never said he owned Earth Angels.

Because we actually saw a Probe killing all the daxamites, it is actually evidenced by the size difference. Imperiex prime was hundreds of feet tall, the probe that killed the daxamites as the same size as all the other probes and minuscule compared to the ship.

Its actually the same probe which battled Superman and Mongul. Now look at Imperiex prime who was nearly as big as his ship

Eradicator saw the whole scene and then went mad by the trauma. Maxima later confirmed it was a probe with hollowers which destroyed that galaxy in AC 781.

durly

"Hurls regiment to crash and burn in failed assault".

I recognize Ignition, Bizzaro, Faora and Zod himself at just one probe. I wonder why that failed if Zod destroyed that probe!!

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Also, Diana wasn't one shotted you silly sally

Originally posted by h1a8
bt Thor got koed in a few shots by Bill, bt Thor got almost one shot by surfer's board in the back.

since you lowball superman it can be done to thor as well

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, and Diana's shield attack after getting KTFO>Diana's axe attack+Aquaman's punch. That's reaching even for you.

It was weakened because the strain of energy weakened it. Superman cauterizing it doesn't changes that fact.

Even in that scenario, in 159 they found out that the planet was missing and then superman send GL to create another planet at a later time. Only then kyle realized that he was more powerful than ever. I don't see why Grayven blasting him back means anything, he has nearly defeated Ion II too.

4 times? When? Lifting it for escaping doesn't count. If the probe couldn't escape by lifting the lasso AFTER it tried, you'd have a point. Untill then you are just lowballing as hell.

It was in everything after Y2K. Yeah, it has. Cracking an Imperiex probe's armor after Earth angels failed to do so. Armada was there to just divert Imperiex's attacks. Not nukes though. Failed again.

Yeah, take my word. At least its not based on pure speculations and denial.

Prove that negative.

Highest feats are not the indication of how a character would fare in a typical scenario. Namor has also broken through Celestial armor and Thing propelled by Reed actually knocked a very weakened Galactus out. Does that means they can do it everytime? Thor recently couldn't even break Rachel Summers' TK shield, it must've been above celestial armor. In general high heralds couldn't break Probes' armor and thor wouldn't be able to do it either.

He didn't ran away, he shrugged off her attacks and decided they were not his target so went his way. I never said he owned Earth Angels.

Because we actually saw a Probe killing all the daxamites, it is actually evidenced by the size difference. Imperiex prime was hundreds of feet tall, the probe that killed the daxamites as the same size as all the other probes and minuscule compared to the ship.

Its actually the same probe which battled Superman and Mongul. Now look at Imperiex prime who was nearly as big as his ship

Eradicator saw the whole scene and then went mad by the trauma. Maxima later confirmed it was a probe with hollowers which destroyed that galaxy in AC 781.

durly

"Hurls regiment to crash and burn in failed assault".

I recognize Ignition, Bizzaro, Faora and Zod himself at just one probe. I wonder why that failed if Zod destroyed that probe!!
Oh yeah I forgot about that.

I don't think you have proof.

You think I'm trying to lowball Supes.

It'll turn into a stupid circle.

But I bet we all agree that Bladam solos, and then kills Thor.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm just going to agree to disagree

I don't think you have proof.

You think I'm trying to lowball Supes.

It'll turn into a stupid circle.

But I bet we all agree that Bladam solos, and then kills Thor.

Team 2.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm just going to agree to disagree

It'll turn into a stupid circle.

But I bet we all agree that Bladam solos, and then kills Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Thor gets killed anyway.

I shouldn't address your trolling, but Black Racer didn't KO superman anywhere and when Darkseid beat superman down he was just nearly killed by Imperiex.

Quan, stop trolling. I get that you're only here to antagonise people, but outright trolling won't be tolerated.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I shouldn't address your trolling, but Black Racer didn't KO superman anywhere and when Darkseid beat superman down he was just nearly killed by Imperiex.

You can disagree all you want, these are all the pages where superman and black racer appeared in.

You are just trolling at this point, just to get my attention. That's just pathetic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You can disagree all you want, these are all the pages where superman and black racer appeared in.

You are just trolling at this point, just to get my attention. That's just pathetic.