Originally posted by h1a8Surfer has never gotten a straight up win over Thanos. You are saying 3 out of ten when he hasn't won a single matchup. You just said this has to go by what we see not by what we think. You can't even be consistent in your own arguments so how can you expect anyone to take you seriously ?
They never fought Thanos together and if they did that doesn't mean they can't win. Remember can't win means can't win ever. If someone can win 3 times out of 10 then they can win.Surfer if fighting smart can beat Thanos. He has the tools to do so.
Adding Stardust and they stomp Thanos for a majority.
What has Stardust done to say so ? Who has Stardust beaten ?
Originally posted by juggermanOdin is on another level. Looks at his headbutt of Galactus. Do you think Juggs can headbutt Galactus in the same fashion with the same amount of damage ?
You still haven't refuted anything i've said. Or proven that Odin is beyond WWH level in just strength alone since he would need to be to do more than push Juggy away unharmed
Originally posted by quanchi112
Odin is on another level. Looks at his headbutt of Galactus. Do you think Juggs can headbutt Galactus in the same fashion with the same amount of damage ?
This isn't about Juggs output. It's about what it takes to harm him and physical force the level WWH had was not enough.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk was harming Juggernaut in World War Hulk, and pushing him to his limits. That much was evident.Anyways, if Odin can tap into the Odin Force to augment his might as most beings on his level can, he wrecks these guys.
There was no damage to Juggs beside a few dents to his helmet. He wasn't even using his "unstoppable" momentum.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This is a non fight... Odin wins.
Normal Odin yes. Gimped Odin in this thread no
Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer has never gotten a straight up win over Thanos. You are saying 3 out of ten when he hasn't won a single matchup. You just said this has to go by what we see not by what we think. You can't even be consistent in your own arguments so how can you expect anyone to take you seriously ?What has Stardust done to say so ? Who has Stardust beaten ?
A character not showing to win in a comic doesn't mean they can't in a 10 fight situation. Bad logic Quanchi.
Stardust can open blackholes and is somewhat hard to put down permanently because of form.
Lastly what I said earlier has nothing to do with your argument against me. My argument pertained to output levels only.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk was harming Juggernaut in World War Hulk, and pushing him to his limits. That much was evident.Anyways, if Odin can tap into the Odin Force to augment his might as most beings on his level can, he wrecks these guys.
The limit in which he can amp his strength is what we only seen. We shouldn't assume he can amp beyond what he ever has shown.
Odin mostly amps through growing. I'm sure the OP wouldn't have Juggs and DD fight someone giant now. What kind of fight would that be?
IMO, from your argument Odin should've amped beyond Mangog since Mangog didn't show great physical strength.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk was harming Juggernaut in World War Hulk, and pushing him to his limits. That much was evident..
You serious?
The only thing that was obvious WWH was Cain getting stomped and then being brought back to his old invulnerable self.
What in that fight made it obvious that he was being pushed to his limits? They exchanged like three blows and then started pushing eachother. Was that the obvious limit? Because Juggernaut can be invulnerable and still be FAR below WWH's strength...
Originally posted by juggermanThat's due to him holding back and not caring about the Juggernaut. If he quit holding back you and I both agree it'd be far different. Odin is on another level.
This isn't about Juggs output. It's about what it takes to harm him and physical force the level WWH had was not enough.
Originally posted by h1a8You don't have to permanently put anyone down here. You can't name one person Stardust beat. Sad. You can just pretend because you have no evidence to support your ridiculous theories.
A character not showing to win in a comic doesn't mean they can't in a 10 fight situation. Bad logic Quanchi.Stardust can open blackholes and is somewhat hard to put down permanently because of form.
Lastly what I said earlier has nothing to do with your argument against me. My argument pertained to output levels only.
Your arguments trip over your own arguments.
Originally posted by quanchi112I don't go by who beat who. It's how someone wins that counts and not that they did it. I can say X beat Y in a comic without explaining the circumstances of the win. It holds no water to what will happen in a forum fight though.
You don't have to permanently put anyone down here. You can't name one person Stardust beat. Sad. You can just pretend because you have no evidence to support your ridiculous theories.Your arguments trip over your own arguments.
Facts:
1. Thanos would have a very hard time to put Stardust down because of his form. You saw how much power Bill was applying to Stardust and he was still ok.
2. Stardust can open blackholes and serious uck Thanos up.
3. Surfer can do the same and also ko or seriously rock Thanos with his board from behind trick.
I'm not going to give characters POWER LEVELS beyond what they have shown or implied to have through narration. An example of a power level is a strength level (100tons vs. 1000 tons vs. etc.)
Originally posted by h1a8Bill beat Stardust and he's less powerful than Thanos. You canb't just make baseless claims without any proof. How can you really be a teacher and not understand this simple aspect of debating ?
I don't go by who beat who. It's how someone wins that counts and not that they did it. I can say X beat Y in a comic without explaining the circumstances of the win. It holds no water to what will happen in a forum fight though.Facts:
1. Thanos would have a very hard time to put Stardust down because of his form. You saw how much power Bill was applying to Stardust and he was still ok.
2. Stardust can open blackholes and serious uck Thanos up.
3. Surfer can do the same and also ko or seriously rock Thanos with his board from behind trick.
I'm not going to give characters POWER LEVELS beyond what they have shown or implied to have through narration. An example of a power level is a strength level (100tons vs. 1000 tons vs. etc.)
Your facts are just random sentences. You are a dog with no bite Yip away.
Thanos doesn't even notice Surfer level power and the back of the board trick didn't put down a weaker Thor. Try again.