Originally posted by DTMits h2h. No weapons/shield. I'd put my money on Cassie speedwise, and she can predict his moves. That and shes just more skilled as a fighter.
Captain America wins to me. Cap is her physical superior in virtually every aspect, has Heaps more experience, and possesses one of the best weapons in the history of comics (and hes a Master at using it). Cass will make him work for it, no doubt about it, but in the end Cap will come out the winner much more often than not.
Originally posted by DTM
Cap is her physical superior in virtually every aspect,
There's still a fair list in Blackbat's favor. Speed feats, agility, and a brain that can focus on each move to a superhuman extent (it is 'mentally impossible' for a human to hit every move to as close to peak as Cassandra does).
Lower target area and lower mass means she's got defensive edge, inertia favors the smaller for maneuverability, and the reading means she's in pretty good shape.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Caps condom needs to realize that Cass can predict his every move and counter. That, and shes just more skilled and a better fighter. We all know this. *sigh* We always have these problems in cap threads.
Well, there isn't even a consensus that Spidey beats Cap.
I'm kind of surprised Mr. X is doing so well in that other thread..
Originally posted by h1a8
Im going for Cass to win here. My reasons are1. She can predict his movements and learn his style right away.
2. He will underestimate her
3. He will hold back since she's a young pretty girl hero.So if anyone disagrees let's debate. This is a debating forum isn't it?
Anyone who's trained in Martial arts before knows that the difference between male and female strength always remains a big freaking deal even when technique is factored in. As someone else mentioned, with Cap we are talking about borderline superhuman strength. It doesn't matter whether she has semi-precognition or not, she can't stop him from tackling her by doing anything other than just running in the other direction.
If I put a 200 pound Olympic wrestler in front of you, and he tells you he is going to shoot in and take you down (so that you effectively have precognition) you still won't be able to stop him. Haven't we learned that already from the whole MMA thing?
On top of that Cap also has borderline superhuman speed which means even her anticipation is going to be somewhat tested.
But to a certain extent I agree with h1a8's conclusion. Cap will take her down and simply try to restrain her rather than do anything damaging. She bites him, he releases her, and then she administers a groin kick followed by a general beating. It's Captain America's character that would lose this for him in the end.
I could see Cap underestimate her due to her size. But he will adapt super quick.
Plus I don't see either in character going for attacks like biting, groin hitting, poking eyes...etc etc.
These two in character would not normally do that. As if this is just a one on one fight with no other lives on the line I doubt that would change much.
Originally posted by Perceiver1This is comics and street levelers are always much stronger than normal human beings (including Cass). In the comic world, pressure points are shown as God. That means they always work. Cass being very skilled can apply them generously and negate the strength advantage.
Anyone who's trained in Martial arts before knows that the difference between male and female strength always remains a big freaking deal even when technique is factored in. As someone else mentioned, with Cap we are talking about borderline superhuman strength. It doesn't matter whether she has semi-precognition or not, she can't stop him from tackling her by doing anything other than just running in the other direction.If I put a 200 pound Olympic wrestler in front of you, and he tells you he is going to shoot in and take you down (so that you effectively have precognition) you still won't be able to stop him. Haven't we learned that already from the whole MMA thing?
On top of that Cap also has borderline superhuman speed which means even her anticipation is going to be somewhat tested.
But to a certain extent I agree with h1a8's conclusion. Cap will take her down and simply try to restrain her rather than do anything damaging. She bites him, he releases her, and then she administers a groin kick followed by a general beating. It's Captain America's character that would lose this for him in the end.
LOL you don't know much about wrestling or MMA do you? If a fighter is skilled enough they can easily prevent being taken down. It takes agility, reflexes, and speed and technique.
Anyone in MA knows that attempting to tackle an exceptionally skilled fighter (and one who can predict it coming a mile away) will not only fail but open them self up for attack. Plus Cap doesn't fight that way usually (especially against females). Cap will naturally hold back, underestimate her, etc. until it's too late.
She would have learned his style by then. Cass knowing up front that he's a lot stronger will easily resort to pressure point striking (and will succeed since Cap will underestimate her and open himself up more easily).
Cis off and Cap can win the majority (but it still wont be easy)