Captain America Vs Mister X

HTH, no shield for Cap. Who wins?

Cap wins 9/10. I figure Mr. X has at least one where his tp powers don't find a new way to fail him.

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X takes a majority as long as Cap is fighting back. In a no PIS/CIS fight, yeah X definitely wins more than he loses. Cap's not on the level where X can't predict and counteract him.

Originally posted by KingD19
X takes a majority as long as Cap is fighting back. In a no PIS/CIS fight, yeah X definitely wins more than he loses. Cap's not on the level where X can't predict and counteract him.

I can see X giving lots of problems to Steve for sure.

But I can also see Steve using the weakness of X that have been used in the past.

Instinctive fighting(even though it makes no sense)

Drunken style fighting(which simulates instinctive fighting)

One was shown by Logan and the other by Danny.

Cap's will blocking has thwarted telepaths like Redscull using Xaviers.

There is no way Cap wins this.
Someone who can read minds and know exactly what you are going to do?
Someone who made logan look like a child?

Come on now!

Originally posted by Daredevil1
I can see X giving lots of problems to Steve for sure.

But I can also see Steve using the weakness of X that have been used in the past.

Instinctive fighting(even though it makes no sense)

Drunken style fighting(which simulates instinctive fighting)

One was shown by Logan and the other by Danny.

Cap's will blocking has thwarted telepaths like Redscull using Xaviers.

Cap isn't Logan or Danny. Logan has feral instincts that allow him to do that, and Danny is one of the best martial artists on the planet who actually is a master of a multitude of styles, including drunken kung-fu. Cap can't do either of those things.

And his tp isn't always clearly explained, sometimes he just reads your mind, sometimes he reads brain synapses(which Cap wouldn't be able to block him from reading as it's electrical impulses), and so on.

Cap wins a few because he's Cap, but without his shield, he's at a huge disadvantage and loses a lot more than he wins.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap isn't Logan or Danny. Logan has feral instincts that allow him to do that, and Danny is one of the best martial artists on the planet who actually is a master of a multitude of styles, including drunken kung-fu. Cap can't do either of those things.

And his tp isn't always clearly explained, sometimes he just reads your mind, sometimes he reads brain synapses(which Cap wouldn't be able to block him from reading as it's electrical impulses), and so on.

Cap wins a few because he's Cap, but without his shield, he's at a huge disadvantage and loses a lot more than he wins.

You might be underestimating Steve. As he is not Logan nor Danny but he is very skilled and enhanced. He once mastered a art that took others a decade to master and these were noted warriors by Kang.

Steves mind is enhanced.

I believe he can simulate instinctive fighting as he has even blocked telepaths by sheer will. Plus his stats are better then X's.

X stomps.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
You might be underestimating Steve. As he is not Logan nor Danny but he is very skilled and enhanced. He once mastered a art that took others a decade to master and these were noted warriors by Kang.

Steves mind is enhanced.

I believe he can simulate instinctive fighting as he has even blocked telepaths by sheer will. Plus his stats are better then X's.

I'm not underestimating him, I'm just not giving him feats and skills he's never displayed. I'm not gonna say Captain America is an accomplished sous chef because he's never shown himself as one. So I also won't assume he can "fight instinctively" as he has neither the feral state of mind of Logan, or the martial arts mastery of Danny. And since he's also never shown himself using drunken kung-fu, you can't assume he can use drunken kung-fu. I'm not doubting his skills or his enhanced abilities, but I'm saying they won't help as he doesn't have the tools to beat X.

His mind being enhanced means nothing, and mastering that fighting style means nothing. They won't help him here.

Believing and having feats to back up those beliefs are two different things, and blocking a telepath is again different than blocking a guy who reads brain synapses, which X has been stated to do on enough occasions that it can be argued that's one of the ways his powers work.

And again, his enhanced stats mean nothing. Logan is incredibly enhanced and far beyond X, but X could beat him because he saw what moves he'd make. He could even read Quicksilver's mind, whose brain patterns should be too fast for him to interpret, but he did it anyway. Pietro still moved too fast for him to stop though. Cap is nowhere near as fast as Pietro though.

Originally posted by KingD19
I'm not underestimating him, I'm just not giving him feats and skills he's never displayed. I'm not gonna say Captain America is an accomplished sous chef because he's never shown himself as one. So I also won't assume he can "fight instinctively" as he has neither the feral state of mind of Logan, or the martial arts mastery of Danny. And since he's also never shown himself using drunken kung-fu, you can't assume he can use drunken kung-fu. I'm not doubting his skills or his enhanced abilities, but I'm saying they won't help as he doesn't have the tools to beat X.

His mind being enhanced means nothing, and mastering that fighting style means nothing. They won't help him here.

Believing and having feats to back up those beliefs are two different things, and blocking a telepath is again different than blocking a guy who reads brain synapses, which X has been stated to do on enough occasions that it can be argued that's one of the ways his powers work.

And again, his enhanced stats mean nothing. Logan is incredibly enhanced and far beyond X, but X could beat him because he saw what moves he'd make. He could even read Quicksilver's mind, whose brain patterns should be too fast for him to interpret, but he did it anyway. Pietro still moved too fast for him to stop though. Cap is nowhere near as fast as Pietro though.

excellent. One of your best posts!

Yeah, King's at his best here.

Let's be honest, shieldless Cap was not a match for Taskmaster and we all know how X humiliated Tony.

Ironically I made that post on almost 24 hours of no sleep. I apparently do my best work when deprived of bed time.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, King's at his best here.

Let's be honest, shieldless Cap was not a match for Taskmaster and we all know how X humiliated Tony.

Apples to oranges as Task was throwing everything at Steve but the kitchen sink.

And even with that Task couldn't get the job done. So when Steve evened it up with a energy shield that did the trick.

Cap

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Apples to oranges as Task was throwing everything at Steve but the kitchen sink.

And even with that Task couldn't get the job done. So when Steve evened it up with a energy shield that did the trick.

Exactly, he needed the shield to save himself in the end. W/o it he was getting his ass handed to him.

If Cap had his shield, I'd even give him a slight majority. As X while able to predict that he'd throw it, and maybe even where he'd throw it, he more than likely wouldn't be able to predict the ricochet.

But without it, Cap is screwed.

In a forum fight, I don't see how Captain America would win this.

In a comic, well...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Exactly, he needed the shield to save himself in the end. W/o it he was getting his ass handed to him.

But that's why your point is moot. This isn't Steve hth vs X with tons of weapons like Taskmaster. Cap using a weapon against TM with tons of weapons makes it more of a "balance". Unless you think thats fair?

Both are fighting just HtH in here.

Under the forum rules, Mister X wins 10/10.

In comics, though, Cap would win 10/10. Mister X would try to read into his moves only to get blocked by a hilariously large mental cap-shield in the mind-scape.