Captain America Vs Mister X

Originally posted by Daredevil1
But that's why your point is moot. This isn't Steve hth vs X with tons of weapons like Taskmaster. Cap using a weapon against TM with tons of weapons makes it more of a "balance". Unless you think thats fair?

Both are fighting just HtH in here.

This is why our point wins the debate. Without his weapon, Steve doesn't have a wild card. X can just predict every move he makes, and counter it. Cap isn't immune to pressure strikes, and X is a good enough fighter that Cap won't wade through his hits in a forum fight. He doesn't need a weapon to beat Cap down, just his powers, which Cap has absolutely no counter to or chance against.

Yea I'm going with X.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
But that's why your point is moot. This isn't Steve hth vs X with tons of weapons like Taskmaster. Cap using a weapon against TM with tons of weapons makes it more of a "balance". Unless you think thats fair?

Both are fighting just HtH in here.

Tasky owned him in h2h eventually, after Steve dodged all of his trick arrows.

My point was that X beat Taskmaster, shieldless Cap didn't. Simple.

Originally posted by KingD19
This is why our point wins the debate. Without his weapon, Steve doesn't have a wild card. X can just predict every move he makes, and counter it. Cap isn't immune to pressure strikes, and X is a good enough fighter that Cap won't wade through his hits in a forum fight. He doesn't need a weapon to beat Cap down, just his powers, which Cap has absolutely no counter to or chance against.

But I think Cap does have the wild card.

X is a low level telepath, while Steve has blocked out Quire with his mind and broken out of Red with Xaviers mind powers.

Also add to that that Steve mind is not normal and is boosted.

I think that is the edge that gives him enough to win. It won't be easy that I agree with. But Steve adaptability to new threats is just some thing he excels at.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tasky owned him in h2h eventually, after Steve dodged all of his trick arrows.

My point was that X beat Taskmaster, shieldless Cap didn't. Simple.

Task has never beaten Steve h2h. Plus he normally has weapons.

A...B....C logic doesn't always work.

X lost to Danny.
While Steve stalemated Danny.

You're not getting it. X doesn't just read his mind. He reads the electrical currents that translate into brain synapses. You can't "block" that out. And his mind being boosted once again has "nothing" to do with anything. You can't stop your brain from having impulses, which X reads. By reading those, he sees what moves Cap makes before he makes them. And even then, his telepathy is passive, so the brain doesn't even pick it up as an attempt at reading your mind, so there's nothing to block.

Also, X only lost to Danny because he switched to Drunken Fist. If he'd used any other form, X would have won decisively .

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Task has never beaten Steve h2h. Plus he normally has weapons.

A...B....C logic doesn't always work.

X lost to Danny.
While Steve stalemated Danny.

Cap was done, energy shield saved him.

True, but considering how easily X handled Taskmaster (who was using DD's and Cap's moves), it shouldn't be too hard for him to beat Steve in this thread.

Originally posted by KingD19
You're not getting it. X doesn't just read his mind. He reads the electrical currents that translate into brain synapses. You can't "block" that out. And his mind being boosted once again has "nothing" to do with anything. You can't stop your brain from having impulses, which X reads. By reading those, he sees what moves Cap makes before he makes them. And even then, his telepathy is passive, so the brain doesn't even pick it up as an attempt at reading your mind, so there's nothing to block.

Also, X only lost to Danny because he switched to Drunken Fist. If he'd used any other form, X would have won decisively .

Drunken fist style is just simulation of drunk movements that are random and hard to counter. It does not entail hiding ones electrical currents.

Plus if Steve can block out Quire and break out of Xaviers level of telepathy control. I don't think that its to "far" to reach that he can block out X as well. Especially since these two are prop superior to X in this regard.

Remender's Thunderbolts issue was a joke, I think we can all agree on that. Villains were jobbing worse than under Bendis.

He only did 1 issue and he clearly didn't treat that job seriously.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cap was done, energy shield saved him.

True, but considering how easily X handled Taskmaster (who was using DD's and Cap's moves), it shouldn't be too hard for him to beat Steve in this thread.

Saved him against a opponent who had tons of weapons.....noted.

I doubt it will be easy if X does indeed win.

Agree to disagree then.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Saved him against a opponent who had tons of weapons.....noted.

I doubt it will be easy if X does indeed win.

He only used his most standard equipment when they went h2h, that is a sword and a shield.

I'm not arguing whether or not it was fair, I'm just focusing on Steve's performance w/o the shield. Because that's what we're supposed to do in this thread.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Agree to disagree then.

Ok.

Originally posted by KingD19
You're not getting it. X doesn't just read his mind. He reads the electrical currents that translate into brain synapses. You can't "block" that out.

Except for feral Wolverine, which is a heaping pile of PIS since impulses that move the body happen regardless of whether they're instinctive or conscious.

Logan taps into Loebforce when he goes berserk.

Originally posted by cdtm
Except for feral Wolverine, which is a heaping pile of PIS since impulses that move the body happen regardless of whether they're instinctive or conscious.

Or it could mean that he can't read electrical pulses that are "instinctive" thoughts. Like Logan or the Drunken style.

Originally posted by Daredevil1

X lost to Danny.
While Steve stalemated Danny.

It was embarrassing for X, but it's only a loss in a point sparring match.

Originally posted by cdtm
Except for feral Wolverine, which is a heaping pile of PIS since impulses that move the body happen regardless of whether they're instinctive or conscious.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Or it could mean that he can't read electrical pulses that are "instinctive" thoughts. Like Logan or the Drunken style.

Drunken style overcoming it was total PIS too. 😛

Originally posted by StyleTime
The Iron Fist incident is being overblown. Danny landed one hit then got thrown out of a window by Ghost. We saw X standing around totally fine afterwards.

See, the fact they keep citing that feat shows Mr. X still has his credibility.

The narrative is "Holy crap, he got hit?", instead of "Mr. X lol", or even worse "...lets talk about someone else."

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Or it could mean that he can't read electrical pulses that are "instinctive" thoughts. Like Logan or the Drunken style.

That's kinda not how electrical impulses work. Doing anything causes them in your brain. The simple act of thinking, whether instinctive or not, causes them. THey're always there. And X can read them.

Originally posted by KingD19
That's kinda not how electrical impulses work. Doing anything causes them in your brain. The simple act of thinking, whether instinctive or not, causes them. THey're always there. And X can read them.

And going feral as the answer for everything is kind of a cheap dues x. mechanica anyways, imo.

Superman had to actually outwit Massacre's similar power. Granted, all he did was pretend to fire his HV at him, knowing Massacre would duck, that it would hit something slightly behind/above him, and distract him enough to body tackle him and shut down his power by keeping him stunned and reeling, but still.. It's better then "Accessing plot device power set.."

Originally posted by KingD19
That's kinda not how electrical impulses work. Doing anything causes them in your brain. The simple act of thinking, whether instinctive or not, causes them. THey're always there. And X can read them.

But if that's how it's portrayed it must be counted irregardless what it should be. He was not able to read them for Logan nor Danny. As X clearly has limitations.

Mr.X slaughters .....................